2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Not a surprise.

And ichi, the 86 vents are fake too. Requiring a sawzall to make it functional doesn’t require the fake vent to be there at all. It’s easy to cut metal wherever you want...

I did stated it that 86 vents are fake... correction in the sister site. But when you cut it & DIY, it’ll be fully functional vents. Which GR team & several other racing teams have done. Did Tada-san & the crew happen to put fake vents for the visual? Prob not. Prob have done it for some reason... & prob for venting.

Also Guff & I (Plus few others) were discussing this at dinner table, but chances of B58 engine were designed or help designed by Toyota.
- Tada-san went directly to Germany (after Spain 86 Media Press) to meet w BMW in 2012.
- From 2012, they shared some of technology with each other.
- They shipped and tested thousands of parts to see the durability.
- suspension parts, they’re using some M series... so what parts did Toyota tested?
- B58 came up 2015 w completely different design and engineering than previous N55 engine.
- B58 reliability is very high, they haven’t had any issues compare to N55.

Here are some of the lists (not all) and it is a pure guess, sadly don’t have any solid proof, but if you connect those dots... idk just saying.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Most if not all sporty cars have at least one fake vent or scoop on them, including the 86.

And have for decades and decades. The problem I have with them is that they have taken right over as a design feature and the whole car seems to be designed around the fake vents instead of the vents being incorporated into the design. Vents should not be the very first thing that draws your eye when you look at a car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I did stated it that 86 vents are fake... correction in the sister site. But when you cut it & DIY, it’ll be fully functional vents. Which GR team & several other racing teams have done. Did Tada-san & the crew happen to put fake vents for the visual? Prob not. Prob have done it for some reason... & prob for venting.

Also Guff & I (Plus few others) were discussing this at dinner table, but chances of B58 engine were designed or help designed by Toyota.
- Tada-san went directly to Germany (after Spain 86 Media Press) to meet w BMW in 2012.
- They shipped and tested thousands of parts to see the durability.
- suspension parts, they’re using some M series... so what parts did Toyota tested?
- B58 came up 2015 w completely different design and engineering than previous N55 engine.
- B58 reliability is very high, they haven’t had any issues compare to N55.

There are some of the lists (not all) and it is a pure guess, sadly don’t have any solid proof, but if you connect those dots... idk just saying.

People slamming BMW reliability are ignoring the last few years and seem to be stuck in a 2003 mindset. BMW knew they had a reliability issue and they worked to resolve it. It cost them too much to just leave things as they were.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I did stated it that 86 vents are fake... correction in the sister site. But when you cut it & DIY, it’ll be fully functional vents. Which GR team & several other racing teams have done. Did Tada-san & the crew happen to put fake vents for the visual? Prob not. Prob have done it for some reason... & prob for venting.

Also Guff & I (Plus few others) were discussing this at dinner table, but chances of B58 engine were designed or help designed by Toyota.
- Tada-san went directly to Germany (after Spain 86 Media Press) to meet w BMW in 2012.
- They shipped and tested thousands of parts to see the durability.
- suspension parts, they’re using some M series... so what parts did Toyota tested?
- B58 came up 2015 w completely different design and engineering than previous N55 engine.
- B58 reliability is very high, they haven’t had any issues compare to N55.

There are some of the lists (not all) and it is a pure guess, sadly don’t have any solid proof, but if you connect those dots... idk just saying.

I've owned a BMW. I don't care what it's short term reliability is. The company makes nothing but overengineered and poorly implemented shitboxes. Sorry.

And I can take off my hood for cooling too, doesn't mean I needed a fake vent there to do so

I guess I'll just agree to disagree with the fans.. but I won't buy one of these turds.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

People slamming BMW reliability are ignoring the last few years and seem to be stuck in a 2003 mindset. BMW knew they had a reliability issue and they worked to resolve it. It cost them too much to just leave things as they were.

I wish that were the case. They have gotten BETTER than the mid to late 2000s, but they haven't gotten to a level of quality I expect from a Toyota badge. Not even close.

[RayRay88]

So consensus is they're fake ass vents. Period.

What irks me most about the 86 fake fender vents and the alleged fake vents designed into the supra is that if they're functional WHY NOT MAKE THEM FUNCTIONAL?

Are you going to over cool the engine bay and let out too much pressure?

Are you going to bleed to much turbulent air from the wheel well?
Just make them work in the first place.



The only ones I'll allow is in the front where it gives designers more freedom to aggressively shape car faces without the drag penalty of open ducts everywhere.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I've owned a BMW. I don't care what it's short term reliability is. The company makes nothing but overengineered and poorly implemented shitboxes. Sorry.

And I can take off my hood for cooling too, doesn't mean I needed a fake vent there to do so

I guess I'll just agree to disagree with the fans.. but I won't buy one of these turds.

Prob taking off the hood gets full cooling function & that’s your thing, won’t stop you.

Because they knew most owner won’t be using it, so prob they put the fake vents instead. Only 1%~2% will use that vents to be full potential and that won’t be you nor most ppl who buy it (including me)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I wish that were the case. They have gotten BETTER than the mid to late 2000s, but they haven't gotten to a level of quality I expect from a Toyota badge. Not even close.

Is Toyota better? Yes. Is it not even close? No.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

So consensus is they're fake ass vents. Period.

What irks me most about the 86 fake fender vents and the alleged fake vents designed into the supra is that if they're functional WHY NOT MAKE THEM FUNCTIONAL?

Are you going to over cool the engine bay and let out too much pressure?

Are you going to bleed to much turbulent air from the wheel well?
Just make them work in the first place.



The only ones I'll allow is in the front where it gives designers more freedom to aggressively shape car faces without the drag penalty of open ducts everywhere.

Again, not everyone need those vents to be functional. Maybe 1%~2% will use those vents. Why bother making it functional when it’s won’t be needed for daily drivers?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

So consensus is they're fake ass vents. Period.

What irks me most about the 86 fake fender vents and the alleged fake vents designed into the supra is that if they're functional WHY NOT MAKE THEM FUNCTIONAL?

Are you going to over cool the engine bay and let out too much pressure?

Are you going to bleed to much turbulent air from the wheel well?
Just make them work in the first place.



The only ones I'll allow is in the front where it gives designers more freedom to aggressively shape car faces without the drag penalty of open ducts everywhere.

This is the sort of stuff that bugs me. You can't even pretend that there would be a purpose there..

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Is Toyota better? Yes. Is it not even close? No.

Oh shit... least reliable bmw is i3, which my friend own. That’s kinda funny. I gotta tell him lmao

Also surprised by how low Honda & Mazda are

[bfrank1972]

So wait a minute.... the most reliable Toyota is a... Subaru... and Subaru overall is in 6th place on that list? That tells me that either these numbers are not reliable or there's a huge spread between most and least reliable of a given brand.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

So wait a minute.... the most reliable Toyota is a... Subaru... and Subaru overall is in 6th place on that list? That tells me that either these numbers are not reliable or there's a huge spread between most and least reliable of a given brand.

Don’t forget BRZ sale is very small compare to outback or Forester.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

So wait a minute.... the most reliable Toyota is a... Subaru... and Subaru overall is in 6th place on that list? That tells me that either these numbers are not reliable or there's a huge spread between most and least reliable of a given brand.

Theres a thread somewhere that disproves the "Subaru made the twins" misconception. Its like an actual 50% split between them in terms of actual work provided by each company. Pretty interesting actually, but I guess from the outside it would appear that Subaru did the grunt work.

What surprised me is that the twins are considered the most reliable vehicle for both? I thought the Twins was more unreliable than the typical Toyota/Subaru.....unless that's just its build quality feels less because of all the supposed squeaks and rattles and random noises.