Baby NSX / Honda S2000 Successor

[Sideways&Smiling]

lol @ won't match the IDx... joking, right? This would be a high end mid-engined performance car. The IDx, if it was actually made, is just a new 240sx/Silvia/240z/FR-S.... an affordable, basic FR sports coupe.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

lol @ won't match the IDx... joking, right? This would be a high end mid-engined performance car. The IDx, if it was actually made, is just a new 240sx/Silvia/240z/FR-S.... an affordable, basic FR sports coupe.

240Z doesn't belong in that group! It was a dedicated cab-rearward 50/50 (mine was 49f/51r with fuel and driver) 2-seat sports car. No modern equivalent, unfortunately...

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

It would have a Honda badge and not attract Cayman buyers. People who buy Caymans are buying the Porsche badge and the leather goodies on the inside, not the car.

I'm not terribly happy about the turbo either, unless they do an electric turbo like the next gen BMWs. Turbo lag is real.

People already pay 50k for chevys, Toyotas, and Fords. Why can't Honda have a 50k car?

[rice_classic]

Part of the reason I want it to be lower HP is because it will then undoubtedly be lower cost. In the 35-55k range there's already LOTS of really good options for toys. That's a pretty saturated market in that range. I feel like they're making the same mistake they made with the S2k.

Honda really needs their version of a Miata for $5k less than a Miata, not 10k more like they did with the s2k. Unless their desire is to bring another car to market that totally bombs, which they've been doing a lot of lately.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

People already pay 50k for chevys, Toyotas, and Fords. Why can't Honda have a 50k car?

Then what's the point of Acura?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Part of the reason I want it to be lower HP is because it will then undoubtedly be lower cost. In the 35-55k range there's already LOTS of really good options for toys. That's a pretty saturated market in that range. I feel like they're making the same mistake they made with the S2k.

Honda really needs their version of a Miata for $5k less than a Miata, not 10k more like they did with the s2k. Unless their desire is to bring another car to market that totally bombs, which they've been doing a lot of lately.

In my opinion, Honda needs a serious sports car for buyers who want a serious sports car and can't afford a $150k supercar (NSX).

Based on speculation and the comments from that guy on S2ki, I believe some variation of the S660 will be made with a 1.0L 4 cylinder turbo for markets outside of Japan, and that will be their basic, affordable Miata fighter.

A 300-400hp smaller, lighter, cheaper mid-engined baby-NSX with a 4 cylinder turbo sounds like my own personal dream car, to be honest... and, although still expensive, it's a car I could actually afford in a few years, unlike the NSX, which I will likely never have the disposable cash to afford... or even if I did, I wouldn't be able to justify the cost.

This will go up against the next generation Supra, the Corvette, etc... It will be the "bang for the buck" high performance sports car vs the "going all out" NSX supercar.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by ZDan

240Z doesn't belong in that group! It was a dedicated cab-rearward 50/50 (mine was 49f/51r with fuel and driver) 2-seat sports car. No modern equivalent, unfortunately...

Fair enough. I didn't actually know that about the weight distribution. I always kinda considered it a precursor to the modern Silvias.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Then what's the point of Acura?

To sell their 100k nsx.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

To sell their 100k nsx.

It's a Honda in the rest of the world.

[rice_classic]

Even the Baby-NSX should have an Acura badge in North America. Not everyone is "brand agnostic".. Hell, we've seen it here. People own BRZ's because it's "not a Scion", or changing their Scion badges to Toyota badges.

For a 50k sporty car, they will sell more with an Acura badge.

Make the Miata fighter a Honda, make the more expensive toys Acuras, that's what the damn brand is for!

[juliog]

I'd be all over the base model... basically a Honda Boxster Turbo . Wouldn't touch the hybrid version though. And I would put Honda badges on mine

Also by the time this rumored car comes out, Boxster/Cayman will also be on turbocharged engines...

[rlpaul]

50K? As reliable as Honda engines are, I'd rather have the Toyota powered Elise at that price range...

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad its coming out, but that seems a bit steep.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ZDan

240Z doesn't belong in that group! It was a dedicated cab-rearward 50/50 (mine was 49f/51r with fuel and driver) 2-seat sports car. No modern equivalent, unfortunately...

Miata. Oh wait, the 240Z had a hatch, there goes the dedicated part with all that storage space adding unnecessary weight.

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Part of the reason I want it to be lower HP is because it will then undoubtedly be lower cost. In the 35-55k range there's already LOTS of really good options for toys. That's a pretty saturated market in that range. I feel like they're making the same mistake they made with the S2k.

Honda really needs their version of a Miata for $5k less than a Miata, not 10k more like they did with the s2k. Unless their desire is to bring another car to market that totally bombs, which they've been doing a lot of lately.

So true, and they already designed it, over half the work is done. Power be damned, sell the S660 as-is with the necessary safety tweaks for $20k, aftermarket will solve power like it did for the 86, just cram crazy motorcycle engines or FI in there. Fine punch it out to 1L slide it in well under $25k, hire a driver to run a bunch of different highly technical autoX courses against the 86, MX-5, Cayman, C7, GTR and call it a day. Maybe it won't set the world on fire but it'll put Honda back in our good graces as we await a Type-R and NSX.

Be the British Roadster Mazda claims it is but charges $29k for.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...dgets-and-men/

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

People already pay 50k for chevys, Toyotas, and Fords. Why can't Honda have a 50k car?

Some people, not many. How many 50k Toyotas or Fords do you see on the road?
@rice_classic @strat61caster

Spot on! Lower hp = less money. Turbos add a lot of cost. I'd be okay with a standard 1.3L L series engine (Earthdreams one is preferable so we're starting with 120hp instead of 100) thrown into a widened and stretched S660 with extra crash structures slapped on, since it's not hard to overbore the engine and all with all that extra cash in the pocket.