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Old 03-17-2013, 03:16 PM   #15
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interesting inputs. definitely appreciate it, especially since I saw no posts at all supporting it. lol. Anyway, I opted out of the program before i made the posts, I just wanted to see what other opinions were on this. I was reading through the terms and I saw the legal aspect of it and allowing it to be used in legal disputes, and I'm like "screw this" and hit decline. Glad I did.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:35 AM   #16
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These things have/will have SoC's built into them with accelerometers, GPS, cellular and GOD knows what other IC's or integration. None of this benefits you as the driver.

The purpose of the corporation (sole purpose) is to increase profits for its stakeholders at any/anybody's expense. This device is meant to increase profit by taking advantage of the human being's animalistic nature. They know you will drive aggressively, forgot to slow down, brake hard, experience road rage, etc. They are counting on it to happen (calculated behavior actually), with the punishment being higher rates for you. The only winners are the stakeholders in increased profits. This system is designed to fuck the consumer.
this is why you build classic cars, WTF is OBD?
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:03 PM   #17
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OBD = On-Board Diagnostics. The OBD access port is just above your shins, under the dash, when you are sitting in the driver's seat. That is where you normally interface with the computer (ECU) when logging data, flashing, troubleshooting, etc.
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OBD = On-Board Diagnostics. The OBD access port is just above your shins, under the dash, when you are sitting in the driver's seat. That is where you normally interface with the computer (ECU) when logging data, flashing, troubleshooting, etc.
it was a joke... lol classic cars dont have OBD, 2 allstate needs a OBD plug in for it to work, 3 no OBD mean they cant do it even if they make it mandatory
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:39 PM   #19
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Everyone should avoid this. Your insurance companies are thinking big picture with an eventuality of ubiquity insomuch they could write a bill that would mandate devices like this.

Google, Facebook, Progressive Snapshot, Drivewise... Sheeze.. George Orwell must be rolling in his grave right now.
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it was a joke... lol classic cars dont have OBD, 2 allstate needs a OBD plug in for it to work, 3 no OBD mean they cant do it even if they make it mandatory
haha.. sorry

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Okay, now that we have unanimously agreed that these black boxes are no good for our hooning tendencies (and @Rampage did so in a particularly poet way), my question is this:

Aren't these prevalent in the UK and elsewhere abroad? Just curious if some of our members outside USA have experience with this stuff.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:19 PM   #22
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it was a joke... lol classic cars dont have OBD, 2 allstate needs a OBD plug in for it to work, 3 no OBD mean they cant do it even if they make it mandatory
Dumb question...but could they require you to add one to a classic car, or they come up with some similar device that would retro fit a classic car?
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Put one in a do some drifting and top speed runs, report back
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It's big brother. They can use it to raise your rates too. If you take more left turns than right it's considered more risky and they will raise your rates as just ONE example. Fuck that shit yo.
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Dumb question...but could they require you to add one to a classic car, or they come up with some similar device that would retro fit a classic car?
Yes they can, then we use gps to our advantage and spell out "FUCK YOU" in a parking lot, that should get the msg out pretty clearly to the insurance companies, also i would be buying multiple ecus for track duty so they can't track me
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Yes they can, then we use gps to our advantage and spell out "FUCK YOU" in a parking lot, that should get the msg out pretty clearly to the insurance companies, also i would be buying multiple ecus for track duty so they can't track me


Yea the after market for "tricking" the system will be huge.
I can see my "tracked" ECU sitting on the garage bench plugged into an outlet right now....
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Oh wow.. You guys are clever with the multiple ECU thing.. Haha
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Fucking Flo from progressive started it all. Damn slut.
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