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Old 03-13-2019, 06:34 PM   #85
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LOL Now we are onto Civics.
We really do suck at selling these cars!
It's okay, I'm totally on the Type R train right now. I want to find a way to get one.. a legal way.
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It's okay, I'm totally on the Type R train right now. I want to find a way to get one.. a legal way.
Go buy one?

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/honda/ci...5_2837&sprx=-2
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There is no reason to sell these cars. Either people want it because of what it is, or they are whiny clueless buffoons who have no idea what they really want and should really buy a mustang.

No one should ever buy a honda though, that is just wong.

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I've never liked the Miata,and this is one of the main reasons.

BTW,I use to live in Spring Lake NC many,many moons ago and went to Western Harnett HS. Did you happen to go there as well at some point?
no, I just moved here a few years ago. Went to high school up in Mass.
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$$$ I can't afford that enormous price tag.
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There is no reason to sell these cars. Either people want it because of what it is, or they are whiny clueless buffoons who have no idea what they really want and should really buy a mustang.

No one should ever buy a honda though, that is just wong.
LOL 😂 LOL🤣 LOL😆

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Get a BMW or Mustang.
The BRZ is not for you.
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no, I just moved here a few years ago. Went to high school up in Mass.
You really need to make that your sig! How often have you been asked that in here now?
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It's a completely fair criticism to me, the FA20 isn't a smooth reving engine.
You most certainly can drive around it, but compared to the revised motor in the MX5 It falls on it's face as you push through the mid range RPM band.

Each car is a ton of fun in their own right, the BRZ/86 is far more practical. Once you drop the rear seats you can fit all sorts of stuff back there. As a sole DD it would be the better choice even though the motor isn't as good.

This may be worth checking out. He owns a FRS with some power mods to smooth out the engine.
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Well, that radio/dash is enough to make me never want an mx5.
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Well, that radio/dash is enough to make me never want an mx5.
Seems to be a trend now with cars to stick a tablet on the dash. It is lazy, and I hate it.
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I had a 996 GT3 to use for awhile. I drove an FRS and thought, hmmm similar feel with less power. Bought the FRS added better wheels, correct tires and stiffer, lowering springs and a better exhaust just because. I call it my baby GT3. Love the car. Stiff, handles well and a good exhaust note. My '74 911S only had like 175 HP and I never complained. Fuck my Miata. Girls car....
FRS just moar racecar. Great on the track.

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The Alacantra seats in the BRZ limited are wonderful. At least for my 2013 model. Heated is nice too

I can put an eight foot ladder in it and my 80 pound Weimie loves the back seat. A weeks worth of groceries easily fits just in the boot with back seat up.

Has enough go to keep me amused and not enough to lose license in first 60 days.

I’ve commuted 55 miles round trip and taken several 900 mile trips. Never felt beat up when I arrived at destination. It’s a great 80 mph cruiser.

Mx-5 and BRZ have similar missions: driving pleasure in a car that harkens to a simpler time. They get there somewhat differently.

See if you rent each car for a few days. Probably the best way to see which is best for you. It may turn out to be neither of them.
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Been gone for a few, but points taken in so far <snip/>

Few things I feel worth noting, for reasons that mostly escape me. But maybe it helps.


1. The reason the Miata feels 'fun' so much more often is that body roll. Also, it does launch better from a dead stop, which is one place the twins lack. That's a very real thing, but understand where it comes from. The power delivery difference is less about the torque dip than about the body roll and the ~.2sec better 60' time. Also maybe tires... Oh, and the throttle takes some getting used to (I haven't driven the Miata for comparison, but that's a general observation I've had)



2. The urge to mod, or not (is it a money pit?), is down to the owner. Both cars either drive people nuts, or are just fine, as they are. As you've noted, the loud-mouth twin drivers are all on the younger side and insist everything is done wrong from the factory and needs to be fixed... usually in grandly horrible fashion, no less. But again, that's the driver, not the car. If you're the type to fiddle, you'll do so with either platform. A little negative camber up front makes so much difference on turn-in ($2x crash bolts and an alignment away...) and that's about the only thing I think wasn't done well...



3. Fuel economy. If you mention this and 'torque dip' in the same sentence... I often average high 20's in the city though; I can cruise on most of the 30mph roads in 5th. I'm slow to stop and to get moving, 'cause it isn't worth the effort. It can take me 20 minutes to go the 4 miles to the highway... so the idling DOES eat fuel... it can be worse, of course. Also, fundamentally, if the torque dip is the top issue, I don't think either car is right for you.



4. I sort-of wish I had more suspension travel, the potholes around here...


They are very different cars. Different gearing, different power delivery, different suspension philosophy. The things that make both of the cars great are, on average, the same; fun, light, great in a corner. They go about it differently.


I personally find even sitting in a Miata to be uncomfortable and a bit claustrophobic, and the lack of utility is a no-go for me. Actually, I'm running into trouble even with the BRZ in that regard, but lumber (especially sheet goods) is probably a bit on the uncommon side of things. Our usual road trips would not be possible in a Miata, though. And I love tossing a full day's equipment and such into the car (tires, jack, food, water, rain gear) and still have room for a passenger in a pinch. I get really annoyed with a lot of the owners though...



Both great cars. If one speaks to you, it's the right one. But you'd already have chosen in that case, which makes me think that neither is right. It really seems like you're already compromising to have narrowed the field to these two.


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