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Old 12-14-2015, 10:14 PM   #29
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I learned to drive stick in San Francisco and honestly the handbrake isn't necessary unless I'm bumper to bumper and don't want to risk an accident or I'm having an off day. It's fairly simple to get the car going with just some quick footwork. You'll get the hang of it.
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Old 12-14-2015, 10:17 PM   #30
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I'm surprised to find people saying there's a definite right or wrong way to do something as simple as take off on a hill. If you want to use the park brake then use it. If you don't want to use it then don't. Theres nothing wrong with using a little assist every now and then the same as theres nothing wrong with someone knowing their cars capabilities well enough and being confident enough in their own abilities not to need it. Each to their own people. Peace
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Old 12-14-2015, 10:22 PM   #31
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I use the handbrake technique only if person is riding on my back bumper or the hill is immensely steep.
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Old 12-14-2015, 10:27 PM   #32
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I use the handbrake technique only if person is riding on my back bumper or the hill is immensely steep.
Yeah, me too. There's probably been full years when I haven't pulled a handbrake at all.
But I know how to do it when it becomes useful. Which is my whole point.

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Old 12-14-2015, 10:50 PM   #33
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I use the handbrake technique only if person is riding on my back bumper or the hill is immensely steep.


Yep. There are different scenarios that call for both methods. The handbrake is very convenient and I use it a lot with uphill starts.

Some cars (Audi R8) actually have a feature called Hill Hold Assist with the manual cars. On a substantial incline, the car will automatically apply the brakes momentarily until you start to move forward.
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Old 12-15-2015, 02:36 AM   #34
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The way I learned was to let off the clutch just enough to where the RPM will drop slightly. This should be enough to hold the car while you move your foot from the brake to the gas pedal.
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Old 12-15-2015, 06:27 AM   #35
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Gonna have to sorta disagree with you, @Tcoat.

I know its a fringe case, but both my old FRS and new BRZ have had 6-puck clutches and they will absolutely embarrass the driver on a hill start. There is no way short of launching the car to get it to get moving easily on a steep-ish hill and as such, I use the e-brake. Now, 95% of the time, I do it the normal way, but I can't say that there is never a time where the e-brake is necessitated.

But as far as OP's question goes, you should be able to handle just moving off with the clutch in most cases. Especially with the very forgiving stock clutch.
Ahhh there are always exceptions to a rule. I am referencing stock vehicles with stock equipment. Once you change things up then all bets are off.
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Old 12-15-2015, 07:07 AM   #36
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We have hills where I live that even an auto will roll back on. The type of hills where can't see the stop sign ahead because you are looking in the sky. They are rediculous. I don't get either of the cars on them. One of them goes out into a 4 way with no turn arrows only lights from two shopping centers. People stop at the bottom of it, which is only 10' (gives you an idea of how steep it is) because you can't see all the lights and traffic from three ways
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Yep. There are different scenarios that call for both methods. The handbrake is very convenient and I use it a lot with uphill starts.

Some cars (Audi R8) actually have a feature called Hill Hold Assist with the manual cars. On a substantial incline, the car will automatically apply the brakes momentarily until you start to move forward.
This feature used to annoy me with my old STI until I got used to it. None of my previous manual cars had this, so it was second nature for me to engage the clutch very quickly on steep hills. Then I'd switch to driving my STI and nearly stall the car from a stop because it'd hold the brakes for a second when the car was pointed uphill (basically the worst possible time if you're not expecting it). It worked great when I finally got used to it, but even then it'd always take a bit of faith trusting the hill-assist would hold the car when I let off the brakes pointed up a big hill with cars behind me! It never let me down though.
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I have never once used a handbrake to uphill start a car. It isn't necessary or needed. I never ever thought this was a "thing" people thought of.


On the flipside my daily is an 09 forester with a manual and it actually holds the brakes for a few seconds when it senses you are on an incline. I obviously NEVER rollback with that system but it took a long time to get used to being lazy on hills. I don't think I actually like it, but it has helped out a couple times (Chicago underground parking garage springs to mind) where I was doing some "serious" clutch work.
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If someone is so close that you need to use the handbrake, just let your car roll back and hit his/her car. That'll show 'em.
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Well it looks like we are at about 50/50 for and against so it is obviously more a matter of personal taste or want vs need.

Also rereading I was struck at how nasty my comments come across. Please rest assured that they were not written in anger or contempt but only appear that way. For example my "if you can't do it you should get an auto" was intended to be tongue in cheek satire of the MT Yo guys but when I go back to it now I just seem like a jerk. I guess there is really no way to write in such a debate where it doesn't appear you are angry or being a condescending, pompous ass even if that was not how things were intended.
My apologies to anybody that interpreted my posts as stronger than intended.
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I've done it both ways, but probably only use the handbrake less than one percent of the time. When I do, it's not because I'm on a hill, it's because I'm on a hill and some idiot is about 1" from my back bumper. I feel pretty good about my clutch technique, but why take a chance in that situation?

Not a big fan of the "ride the clutch" phrase. The goal is to get the clutch engaged and NOT "ridden" or slipping as quickly as possible but smoothly whenever you shift. Holding the car in place with the clutch partially engaged is a bad idea. Just get rolling.

Someone mentioned that the handbrake should be left to the drifting crowd. When I drove a FWD Celica, I admit I had fun in the winter time swingin' the back end around using the handbrake on snowy roads, but it was easy to break traction in those conditions. I can't imagine using a handbrake for drifting on dry roads. I'm assuming you've all SEEN what a parking brake shoe looks like? It's a little wimpy piece of nothing, designed to hold the car still when it's ALREADY still. Use it a few times for emergency stops, and it'll be worn out. Do those folks ENJOY replacing ebrake shoes?!?! Personally, I'll pass. It's one of my least favorite car jobs. How do folks use it for drifting and not kill the pads in one session?

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