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I learned to drive stick in San Francisco and honestly the handbrake isn't necessary unless I'm bumper to bumper and don't want to risk an accident or I'm having an off day. It's fairly simple to get the car going with just some quick footwork. You'll get the hang of it.
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I'm surprised to find people saying there's a definite right or wrong way to do something as simple as take off on a hill. If you want to use the park brake then use it. If you don't want to use it then don't. Theres nothing wrong with using a little assist every now and then the same as theres nothing wrong with someone knowing their cars capabilities well enough and being confident enough in their own abilities not to need it. Each to their own people. Peace
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I use the handbrake technique only if person is riding on my back bumper or the hill is immensely steep.
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Yep. There are different scenarios that call for both methods. The handbrake is very convenient and I use it a lot with uphill starts. Some cars (Audi R8) actually have a feature called Hill Hold Assist with the manual cars. On a substantial incline, the car will automatically apply the brakes momentarily until you start to move forward.
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The way I learned was to let off the clutch just enough to where the RPM will drop slightly. This should be enough to hold the car while you move your foot from the brake to the gas pedal.
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We have hills where I live that even an auto will roll back on. The type of hills where can't see the stop sign ahead because you are looking in the sky. They are rediculous. I don't get either of the cars on them. One of them goes out into a 4 way with no turn arrows only lights from two shopping centers. People stop at the bottom of it, which is only 10' (gives you an idea of how steep it is) because you can't see all the lights and traffic from three ways
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I have never once used a handbrake to uphill start a car. It isn't necessary or needed. I never ever thought this was a "thing" people thought of.
On the flipside my daily is an 09 forester with a manual and it actually holds the brakes for a few seconds when it senses you are on an incline. I obviously NEVER rollback with that system but it took a long time to get used to being lazy on hills. I don't think I actually like it, but it has helped out a couple times (Chicago underground parking garage springs to mind) where I was doing some "serious" clutch work. |
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If someone is so close that you need to use the handbrake, just let your car roll back and hit his/her car. That'll show 'em.
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Well it looks like we are at about 50/50 for and against so it is obviously more a matter of personal taste or want vs need.
Also rereading I was struck at how nasty my comments come across. Please rest assured that they were not written in anger or contempt but only appear that way. For example my "if you can't do it you should get an auto" was intended to be tongue in cheek satire of the MT Yo guys but when I go back to it now I just seem like a jerk. I guess there is really no way to write in such a debate where it doesn't appear you are angry or being a condescending, pompous ass even if that was not how things were intended. My apologies to anybody that interpreted my posts as stronger than intended.
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I've done it both ways, but probably only use the handbrake less than one percent of the time. When I do, it's not because I'm on a hill, it's because I'm on a hill and some idiot is about 1" from my back bumper. I feel pretty good about my clutch technique, but why take a chance in that situation?
Not a big fan of the "ride the clutch" phrase. The goal is to get the clutch engaged and NOT "ridden" or slipping as quickly as possible but smoothly whenever you shift. Holding the car in place with the clutch partially engaged is a bad idea. Just get rolling. Someone mentioned that the handbrake should be left to the drifting crowd. When I drove a FWD Celica, I admit I had fun in the winter time swingin' the back end around using the handbrake on snowy roads, but it was easy to break traction in those conditions. I can't imagine using a handbrake for drifting on dry roads. I'm assuming you've all SEEN what a parking brake shoe looks like? It's a little wimpy piece of nothing, designed to hold the car still when it's ALREADY still. Use it a few times for emergency stops, and it'll be worn out. Do those folks ENJOY replacing ebrake shoes?!?! Personally, I'll pass. It's one of my least favorite car jobs. How do folks use it for drifting and not kill the pads in one session? T - nice message, but no worries. We could see the sly grin... Barry |
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