Twins make 2 "Top Ten Best" lists...

[MarcFr-s]

One good.... One not so good...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...ssion/?slide=2

http://jalopnik.com/the-ten-best-car...ing-1681700813

[Tcoat]

First article is so old the car wasn't even released yet. BRZ owners will be glad that they got a "slight increase in performance" over the FRS.

Second one is correct. They are not selling piles. But they are not making piles of them either so they are probably right on their planned numbers. Nothing to worry about unless there are many thousands sitting on lots for years because they have not sold.

[Cope52]

"Every Single Lotus model" lol. How many cars do they make? One?

[ichitaka05]

Toyota set certain amount of twins to be made annually. First first, they were way too many demand than they could make. It's still on high depend than they're making... but auto blogger & other site wants their clicks, but they're making dramatic statement that "FRS & BRZ isn't selling well" or other bs articles.

Anyways whole thing in the nutshell, you bought one & enjoying it, who cares lol

[totopo]

But its true its not selling well enough for other automakers to try to make a new chassis to jump in the market. Like how the Nissan idx is dead, or at best will come out with one of their fwd chassis.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by totopo

But its true its not selling well enough for other automakers to try to make a new chassis to jump in the market. Like how the Nissan idx is dead, or at best will come out with one of their fwd chassis.

Correction, it's not that they don't make a new chassis, but they can't make a new chassis.

Reason why Nissan idx is dead is cuz they'll loose tremendous $ and they'll be competing against Z. If they wanna compete against the twins or Miata by lighten up and lower power Z... that'll make it worse, they cannot lower the price of Z, cuz they're already loosing money as is. They cannot loose more money.

So again, Toyota didn't make twin to profit. They're already profiting from Camry and Corolla. They brought twins to bring car enthuses back on the map.

[gramicci101]

I think they could quite easily make a 240z, make it a smaller and more compact chassis than the 370z, and stay within the current Z styling. It would carry a very nostalgic sportscar name, and they could make it to compete pretty favorably with our cars and the new miata. Nissan knows how to make great cars, they just choose to make boring crap. They could have both the 240z and 370z; they really would be two different levels of car.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I think they could quite easily make a 240z, make it a smaller and more compact chassis than the 370z, and stay within the current Z styling. It would carry a very nostalgic sportscar name, and they could make it to compete pretty favorably with our cars and the new miata. Nissan knows how to make great cars, they just choose to make boring crap. They could have both the 240z and 370z; they really would be two different levels of car.

That's the thing, they can't... Just say they do make new 240z w I6 NA engine (to keep it classic) pushing 220hp w 185tq. You're looking at $26k~$30k MINIMUM. Just say new 240z, they went w 2.4L I4 turbo. It can produce over 300hp easy w current technology... Which will bring the 370Z's sales down. Why buy limited power upgrade 370z when you can do so many upgrade w i4 turbo? Specially 2.4L, so it can produce ridiculous tq!

Again, why do you think new 510 concept died?

[gramicci101]

I figured the 510 concept died because it was ugly as sin and had the aerodynamic properties of a loaf of bread.

They could make it an NA 2.4L 4cyl, push 220hp or so, and make it light and agile, to compete with our cars and the miata. The 370 could up its hp a little and compete with the mustang and camaro.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I figured the 510 concept died because it was ugly as sin and had the aerodynamic properties of a loaf of bread.

They could make it an NA 2.4L 4cyl, push 220hp or so, and make it light and agile, to compete with our cars and the miata. The 370 could up its hp a little and compete with the mustang and camaro.

Nope, there were so many hype bout 510 concept, but when Nissan crunched the number to make it production, they say screw that & throw compact car idea into the trash can.

[Tcoat]

The whole thing about the other companies and the cars they release is that they could not care less what the sales numbers of the Twins are. They don't just stand back and go "nope not gonna release the new XXXX since the 86s are not selling". They have multi year plans and spend millions of RD dollars and although they may note how many of other models are selling it is not a make or break factor in what they will do.

[NWFRS]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I figured the 510 concept died because it was ugly as sin and had the aerodynamic properties of a loaf of bread.

Totally subjective.
I actually think the IDX is adorable-it reminds me so much of my first generation Celica coupes. I think it's also a brilliant reincarnation of the old 510 coupe for which it's named. The 510 is iconic in the same way as the BMW 2002, and has a huge following. I'd love it if they dropped the fat 370z and switched production to the IDX.





THIS is a f**king bread loaf.

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The whole thing about the other companies and the cars they release is that they could not care less what the sales numbers of the Twins are. They don't just stand back and go "nope not gonna release the new XXXX since the 86s are not selling". They have multi year plans and spend millions of RD dollars and although they may note how many of other models are selling it is not a make or break factor in what they will do.

Not like Toyota and Subaru wanted to use the twins as a get rich quick scheme.

[Brndn704]

Originally Posted by NWFRS

I'd love it if they dropped the fat 370z and switched production to the IDX.

I agree they should get rid of the 370z, but maybe not for the IDX. I would love to see a Silvia come stateside. S16 anyone?