What attributes should Toyota and Subaru retain in the Second Generation FT-86 (aka

[mrg666]

If I have to buy the next generation, I need the rear seats to take my kids to school and still get those "idiot of this school!" looks from the minivan and SUV drivers.

[~el~jefe~]

I hope it costs $39,000 + destination and special edition cost $47,000 so no one buys it ever.


that's my wish. Then it will be bought by people who have 0 appreciation for actual sport cars and they will hate it and discontinue it.

[leevanf]

I think at its core, it needs to focus on “Fun”.
For the target market of this car, i think fun is defined as:
(1) great driving experience
(2) low risk in terms of safety and investment
(3) ease of owning and modification

And to deliver that “fun” from an engineering standpoint, i think “simplicity” is the key element needed to ensure the fun spirit is achieved.

Things they might do:

(1) Keeping added features and extra hardware not related to driving at a minimum, thus lowering costs and reducing maintenance items. At most, just taking advantage of software like Tuning and automation of creature comforts. This also reduces the amount of things to consider and balance out - thus making mods easier to do, adding fun and performance at the same time.

(2) Give it a bit more power but minimally. (5-10%) at the most. Power is a tricky equation because it may counterbalance a lot of things such as maintenance, fun in needing to work with the car, entry-level ease of learning, overall desired feel. Etc. = power and fun (in target market terms) are opposite sides of the seesaw.

(3) Make everything just about more efficient by combining both Subaru and Toyota’s new tech. (Toyota has a lot of learnings to apply and contribute with its multiple global platforms, Supra learnings, etc)

(4) cosmetic stuff

Thats a bout it i guess. I feel like “major leaps and changes” just doesn’t coincide with the spirit of this car, and making huge changes may actually be a risk. Its not like a daily commuter where people just want to squeeze the best value out of in every iteration. Rather, its focusing on delivering some fundamental values in a modern environment.

[CBRZY]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

I want pop-up headlights. Subaru version can have fixed lights.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvyyhUkMBNc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvyyhUkMBNc[/ame]

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by leevanf

I think at its core, it needs to focus on “Fun”.
For the target market of this car, i think fun is defined as:
(1) great driving experience
(2) low risk in terms of safety and investment
(3) ease of owning and modification

And to deliver that “fun” from an engineering standpoint, i think “simplicity” is the key element needed to ensure the fun spirit is achieved.

Things they might do:

(1) Keeping added features and extra hardware not related to driving at a minimum, thus lowering costs and reducing maintenance items. At most, just taking advantage of software like Tuning and automation of creature comforts. This also reduces the amount of things to consider and balance out - thus making mods easier to do, adding fun and performance at the same time.

(2) Give it a bit more power but minimally. (5-10%) at the most. Power is a tricky equation because it may counterbalance a lot of things such as maintenance, fun in needing to work with the car, entry-level ease of learning, overall desired feel. Etc. = power and fun (in target market terms) are opposite sides of the seesaw.

(3) Make everything just about more efficient by combining both Subaru and Toyota’s new tech. (Toyota has a lot of learnings to apply and contribute with its multiple global platforms, Supra learnings, etc)

(4) cosmetic stuff

Thats a bout it i guess. I feel like “major leaps and changes” just doesn’t coincide with the spirit of this car, and making huge changes may actually be a risk. Its not like a daily commuter where people just want to squeeze the best value out of in every iteration. Rather, its focusing on delivering some fundamental values in a modern environment.

If they want to actually sell any the car will need to shed the underpowered stigma and if you buy a car you feel "needs" warranty voiding modifications, theres something wrong.

[ToySub1946]

Well, we can expect AEB...Automatic Emergency Braking, as it's gonna be the law soon.


More govt. BS interference in our lives.
Oh, Jeez, I just got rear ended because my vehicle stopped very quickly, in an instance I could have avoided by steering out of it.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by ToySub1946

Well, we can expect AEB...Automatic Emergency Braking, as it's gonna be the law soon.


More govt. BS interference in our lives.
Oh, Jeez, I just got rear ended because my vehicle stopped very quickly, in an instance I could have avoided by steering out of it.

It’s funny you wrote that because more often than not that’s exactly what you do. I didn’t think about that until you posted.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i'm so tired of bully accusers. this isn't 1st grade anymore.

a bully is:


does that post call you out? does that post harm you? does it intimidate you? are you weak and vulnerable?

i've got a low iq. i would expect someone with a higher iq like you claim, to understand the difference.*

*see? that's bullying.

You know what, you're right I chose the wrong words to describe the situation. It wasn't bullying, it was blatant rudeness. In fact the only way the dialogue I witnessed was acceptable is if was 100% tongue-in-cheek and understood between two friends. That wasn't necessarily the case here, someone flat out called someone else stupid. That doesn't work with me, between my kids and their friends while playing video games online wearing their game headphones, between people on a forum... or otherwise. Rude!

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

If they want to actually sell any the car will need to shed the underpowered stigma and if you buy a car you feel "needs" warranty voiding modifications, theres something wrong.

i've never owned a vehicle that didn't need something.

my ranger needs a 2nd rear axle and a tilting bed.

no mfg is making a truck with those things in the compact truck market.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i've never owned a vehicle that didn't need something.

my ranger needs a 2nd rear axle and a tilting bed.

no mfg is making a truck with those things in the compact truck market.

Easy mods lol.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

We have been down this road with him many times in many threads. His only response remains “look at any car in a parking lot”. He apparently only hangs out in parking lots full of econoboxes.

to be fair, that's generally what any parking lot around me has in it.

and why my car is such an attention grabber.

[Lantanafrs2]

I can see the brake pads on my car. Fronts anyway. All you need to do is sawsall every other spoke out of the wheels. Next mod will be an oil cooler for track days

[soundman98]

you really only need 2!

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c50AoeJviI[/ame]

[Lantanafrs2]

Shit man that's so lit. I knew I could've gone further. Tip my hat to that bro