Still worth it on going catless header with stock cbe in cali?

[DarkSideFRS]

i will be cutting the cat off a 17+ header and welding a pipe in its place... then running e85 with the OFT tune.. the e85 will get rid of the smell

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Drakiv

only thing that changed with this "new" law is they made exhaust modification a non correctable violation with a fine of up to $1,000. That's where the problem lies, and they made it where its the cops discretion with or without a decibel meter.

A legal car still gets the ticket dismissed.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

i will be cutting the cat off a 17+ header and welding a pipe in its place... then running e85 with the OFT tune.. the e85 will get rid of the smell

It will smell like E85, and is probable cause for being pulled over. Emissions tickets are a federal crime, not just California!

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

It will smell like E85, and is probable cause for being pulled over. Emissions tickets are a federal crime, not just California!

cops are prob more used to the smell of good ol' carbon lol

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

A legal car still gets the ticket dismissed.

Not true... The fine is there at least based on my understanding. That's up to the judge now...

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Not true... The fine is there at least based on my understanding. That's up to the judge now...

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It's very black or white, if a car was legal or not. There is no "up to the judge" here, if you can prove your car was legal.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

cops are prob more used to the smell of good ol' carbon lol

ANY smell, is "not normal", and is probable cause, even if to just give the driver a friendly notice that something may be wrong with the vehicle!

[DarkSideFRS]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

ANY smell, is "not normal", and is probable cause, even if to just give the driver a friendly notice that something may be wrong with the vehicle!

just curious since i never used e85 before, but which smell is worse (assuming gutted or catless headers with OEM everything else)? e85 or regular gasoline?

[e_lunatic]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

just curious since i never used e85 before, but which smell is worse (assuming gutted or catless headers with OEM everything else)? e85 or regular gasoline?

E85 is stronger IMO. the uninitiated might have no idea what it is though. the gas is going to be something they can recognize right away

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

just curious since i never used e85 before, but which smell is worse (assuming gutted or catless headers with OEM everything else)? e85 or regular gasoline?

E85 literally smells like alcohol behind the car.

[AFRichZC6]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Not true... The fine is there at least based on my understanding. That's up to the judge now...

No. That's all wrong. Please do your due diligence and do proper research on the laws, what they mean, and what actually changed.

Non-correctable only means fix-it tickets for violations to CVC 27150 and 27151 (exhaust sound volume) are no longer issued as it was before 2019. This was the only thing that changed in AB-1824. You would get issued a citation, and to fight the citation in court, you go to the state ref to get your exhaust sound volume measured in accordance with SAE J1169 to certify the volume is within 95 dB. Similar getting a speeding ticket, you get issued a citation, but you don't pay the fine if you can successfully fight the citation in court.

The fine for exhaust volume is $197 + $25 for admin (I think). State ref certification fee is $108, IIRC. Exhaust fines are nowhere near $1000 (or more) unless you get caught messing with emissions equipment or if you install whistle tips (they go woo-woo!).

2019 Penalty Schedule found here.

[Drakiv]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

E85 literally smells like alcohol behind the car.

I got pulled over for window tint by chp on the freeway one time, and he asked if I had been drinking because it smelled like alcohol. I was like nope, but my car runs on e-85. He said cool.

[Xero-Limit]

Gains are still great with just a header and stock exhaust. More HP with a catback -- yes... but the dip still gets eliminated with the header and gets a few more HP at the top end as well.

[jflogerzi]

The key is header and tune. The rest of the exhaust makes very little difference

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