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that's never true. Just go look at what the lunatics did to the 1.4, both in the sonic and the 124. They will always find a way to make things better and more powerful. |
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1/ Cars fitted with the Circuit Pack will have Torsen diffs front and rear. 2/ Do you have a source for that? 3/ Yes, it is a guess.
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I'm guessing the engineers who designed it would have a bit of an idea but they're not telling. Given the car hasn't been released I'm suggesting no one on the internet knows anything.
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We absolutely know a little. You can guarantee the engine itself isn't fully forged and worth more than the car, and you can guarantee it has to meet European emissions. Right there means it is not maxed out. |
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Will it have a flash tune that offers >5% improvement within a year? Absolutely. Will it push 300whp reliably without significant investment? I seriously doubt it. Can you build it into a monster with enough time and money, sure but with that kind of fantasy everything is a $100k check from being faster than a hypercar. It's 167HP/L, the Ferrari 3.9L V8 in the outgoing 488 is 169HP/L. Toyota can't break physics. It is a very short list of cars that make more power/displacement than this car with a factory warranty, even shorter if you cut out cars that are >$100k. It's a totally safe bet that there isn't much headroom left in this engine. |
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If "there wasn't much room left," it wouldn't pass emissions. That's why Europe cannot use the new engine in the new twins. The sonic comes with 138 hp. The fiat with 160. Getting 200 hp out of that is impressive. 167 hp/l means nothing after boost. f1 used to get near 1500 hp out of 1.5l turbos in the 80's. The GR4 engine will be rated at 257 hp. We'll see what it really makes. Thinking it cannot make more is just silly. You are completely underrating European emissions and how much they have to screw with the tunes on these cars to pass that crap. |
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Let's back up here, how much do YOU think the aftermarket can squeeze out of this engine reliably? How much headroom do you think is left? |
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380+ horsepower with a restrictor plate for the record; https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2020/ 2019 WRC championship averaged about 200 miles per rally and allowed 3 engines for each car for the whole season of <2800 miles of racing. Plenty of 'headroom' if you're in for 1k mile engine rebuilds I suppose. |
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You know the thing that really pisses me off about this car is back in February Toyota's US Twitter asked the twittersphere is Americans wanted the Yaris GR4 the response was an overwhelming, "yes" but one schmuck just chimed in and said, "Nah we don't want that, we want a turbo Corolla." to which Toyota responded, "Great idea, we'll let management know!" and then a week later Motortrend posted an article that the GR Yaris would not make it to the US. and tonight Toyota's Twitter confirmed it saying that while we're not getting the GR Yaris, we can expect a something from the GR family all but confirming the Corolla which will most likely be FWD and heavier.
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When I look back at previous homologated cars such as the Cosworths, E30 M3s, Subarus, Mitsubishis, Lancias etc.. all had conservative bhp for the road versions but easily let up extra bhp through aftermarket tuning.. |
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