2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

Just as I knew all along, the reviews would roll in, comparisons would be won and negative comments would turn into positives. How nearsighted people are. Looks phenomenal in that pic btw. Cayman looks like a turd next to it

I actually prefer the looks of the Cayman to the Supra. Clean, simple and functional vs overdone with many non-functional elements.

The biggest drawbacks to the Cayman are price and the difficulty of servicing and repairing it.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by Rampage

I actually prefer the looks of the Cayman to the Supra. Clean, simple and functional vs overdone with many non-functional elements.

The biggest drawbacks to the Cayman are price and the difficulty of servicing and repairing it.

the previous gen looked good, especially the GT4, but this latest facelift is just weird. Not to mention that engine change...

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Rampage

I actually prefer the looks of the Cayman to the Supra. Clean, simple and functional vs overdone with many non-functional elements.

The biggest drawbacks to the Cayman are price and the difficulty of servicing and repairing it.

The new Cayman is an amazing car and pretty much unbelievable to be in same performance category with Supra and M2 which are 6 cylinder engines with turbo. There were some tests recently here in autobahn and it could easily top 275 km/h (170 mph). It could accelerate even more, but not so easy with the traffic. Just incredible result from such a small 2,0 liter engine.

I agree with the difficulty of servicing which is an issue.

[gymratter]

^cuz it weights less, not much too it lol.

anyways, here is the C&D dyno vid.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MQdYO8ls0c[/ame]

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Rampage

The biggest drawbacks to the Cayman are price and the difficulty of servicing and repairing it.

You say that as if the Supra doesn't have a B58 crammed into a chassis smaller than an 86 with much more shielding and sound deadening.

Get your torx bits ready boys...

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by gymratter

^cuz it weights less, not much too it lol.

Lol. No, you don't get it. Weight helps only in acceleration and especially in low gears. I mentioned top speed which is related mainly with engine's power. None of these cars has a terrible Cd value, so top speed is mainly because of power. I didn't say that Supra doesn't have a powerful engine, but comparing a 4 cylinder with a 6 cylinder engine is a night to day difference. Do you know how much power the 2.0 lt engine in Z4 makes? Porsche is currently WAY FAR from competition in this area.

And by the way... Subaru would be dreaming to have Porsche's engine. They designed the FA20DIT engine some years ago, but they couldn't achieve this result. Only with the EJ20 engines they make it, but they are an outdated design and cannot be sold outside domestic market. Probably Honda is close in engine technology, but not with a boxer design.

[vh_supra26]

So a member on the MKV forum said for the rest of the 2019 calendar year, we're supposedly only getting 3,500 units.

[vh_supra26]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/mot...lly-make.1851/

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Do you know how much power the 2.0 lt engine in Z4 makes? Porsche is currently WAY FAR from competition in this area.

Retune it, get 225kW and 450Nm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B48#225_kW_version


2.0L in the 718 is rated for 221kW and 380Nm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsch...Specifications

I mean BMW won't do it because it will cannibalize sales of the low-boost B58 which they're relying on for cost sharing but BMW's 2.0L is absolutely on the same level as Porsche's.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Lol. No, you don't get it. Weight helps only in acceleration and especially in low gears. I mentioned top speed which is related mainly with engine's power. None of these cars has a terrible Cd value, so top speed is mainly because of power. I didn't say that Supra doesn't have a powerful engine, but comparing a 4 cylinder with a 6 cylinder engine is a night to day difference. Do you know how much power the 2.0 lt engine in Z4 makes? Porsche is currently WAY FAR from competition in this area.

And by the way... Subaru would be dreaming to have Porsche's engine. They designed the FA20DIT engine some years ago, but they couldn't achieve this result. Only with the EJ20 engines they make it, but they are an outdated design and cannot be sold outside domestic market. Probably Honda is close in engine technology, but not with a boxer design.

So much wrong here. If weight doesn't matter then how does a 175hp/100tq motorcycle get to 190mph? Power/weight isn't all that matters either or a motorcycle would just as easily get over 200mph as an equally power/weight car, but they can't because they lack the torque to cut through the air resistance. Big torque without horsepower doesn't help without gearing or diesel trucks would be hitting 200mph too.


The 2.0T in the Cayman is hitting roughly 300hp/280tq. The 2.5T is hitting 350hp/310tq. How is that far from the competition? Are you familiar with the Golf R or Civic Type R?


Subaru is building a WRX with 300/300 because they have the STI for that power level, and they managed to get there for far cheaper than Porsche, and the fact that it doesn't exist doesn't mean they can't. Good god man

Originally Posted by Rampage

I actually prefer the looks of the Cayman to the Supra. Clean, simple and functional vs overdone with many non-functional elements.

The biggest drawbacks to the Cayman are price and the difficulty of servicing and repairing it.

I too like the more conservative looks and the mid engine platform over the Supra's. The price is definitely the issue. How much servicing would you need to do and how often? I believe spark plugs are actually easier to service than in our cars, and I am sure the basics like oil and topping off fluids can't be that hard.

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

the previous gen looked good, especially the GT4, but this latest facelift is just weird. Not to mention that engine change...

Did they really change much over the last gen? Just the center hovering PORSCHE emblem, right? FWIW, I love the new 911's rear. Someday. My biggest gripe is the sound of the new Cayman, aka lack of 6-cylinders, as I doubt I would want to have a tuning platform. The NA flat 6 on the previous gen would be my first choice.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You say that as if the Supra doesn't have a B58 crammed into a chassis smaller than an 86 with much more shielding and sound deadening.

Get your torx bits ready boys...

As a tuning platform, I bet the Supra will be easier to work on than the Cayman. Both have turbos for easy power gains, but I'm sure the Supra's engine bay could get modified. The top mount water-air intercooler, is it built into the intake manifold? Is the turbo manifold built into the head? I don't know. I realize there are limitations, but I'm sure the Supra's bay will be a tuner's dream over the Cayman, yet admittedly this is just an educated guess.

[abraxis]

Ugh, this top speed convo is hurting my head...

Top speed is a function of power, drag, weight and most importantly GEARING! More weight actually helps retain tire traction to transfer power and none of this matters if your transmission isn't geared to hit your maximum speed target anyway. Not to mention the Supra and other cars are actually governed to be speed limited at 155mph.

As for bragging about power per liter in forced induction motors, that's a big laff. Just crank the boost and get whatever power you want. The only question is how reliable do you want the engine to be and how long will it last? The Supra could do 1500hp in 3L, BMW had a 1.8L that did 1200hp. This Porsche 718 2L is a big nothing burger. Woopty Doo, smh. Wake me up when we start pushing NA motor efficiency again. Oh right, batteries and motors...yawn.

TLDR: Top Speed? Who cares unless you are at Bonneville. Power per liter in boosted engines? Boring.

Heck, even Porsche is sick of their 4 banger and want it gone.

All that said, this Supra is turning out to be a beast in all the right ways. I'm loving watching the early haters eat crow.

Surprised nobody has commented on the general consensus so far that Toyota has tuned their suspension above and beyond the Bimmers (M2 or Z4).

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

You say that as if the Supra doesn't have a B58 crammed into a chassis smaller than an 86 with much more shielding and sound deadening.

iirc, the Supra chassis is bigger than the 86. the hood is also longer as well.

[abraxis]

Correction, 1.5L BMW turbo making 1450bhp. Had my 1.8L MR-S on my brain lately....

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JIXPqgwQHk[/ame]

[vh_supra26]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/com...a.1530/page-58

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdaACsZyNnM[/ame]