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REPORT: Toyota's hybrid Supra successor on track for 2011



Toyota FT-HS Concept - Click above for a high-res image gallery

With all the rumors and anticipation surrounding Toyota's joint venture with Subaru to produce a front-engine, rear-wheel drive coupe, the automaker's Supra successor has been put on the news cycle's back-burner. However, according to a report by Best Car, development has continued in earnest since the FT-HS Hybrid Sports Car Concept debuted at the Detroit Auto Show in 2007 and a prototype will supposedly begin making the rounds later this year.

Although the FT-HS was originally due to arrive in 2009, the Toyobaru's parallel development and market conditions have pushed back the introduction of a Supra-successor until 2011. When it hits, expect two versions to be available: a traditional gas-powered model, likely fitted with a 3.5-liter V6, and a hybrid "Sports" variant packing the GS450h's 2GR-VSE 3.5-liter V6 mated to the JDM Crown Hybrid's electric drive system and cranking out around 400 hp to the rear wheels. If Best Car's report is to be believed, we could see the next iteration of the FT-HS concept at the Tokyo Motor Show this November, with the production model debuting sometime in 2010 before its on-sale date the following year.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/06/22/r...rack-for-2011/

Toyota's Hybrid Supra Successor to Launch in 2011


Could boast more than 400 hp

When the Supra vanished from the Toyota lineup in 2003, fans were angered but confident a revival was in the works. As the years past, hope began to fade until the company unveiled the FT-HS Concept at the North American International Auto Show in 2007.

Two and a half years later, fans are still waiting. However, the wait may soon be over as reports are indicating Toyota is preparing to launch a Supra revival in 2011.

While details are still limited, several sources are suggesting the rear-wheel drive sports car will be offered with a 3.5-liter V6 and the Lexus GS450h's 2GR-VSE 3.5-liter V6 which will be paired with the Toyota's Crown hybrid system. While the current 3.5-liter V6 only produces 268 hp and 248 lb-ft or torque, the Crown's hybrid system could enable the Lexus' V6 to produce more than 400 hp.

We could see a thinly veiled concept appear at this year's Tokyo Motor Show, but the production model isn't expected to be unveiled until next year.

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2011 Toyota Supra to get 400-hp via 3.5L V6 mated to a hybrid system

Till this day, the ultimate sports car for Toyota enthusiasts remains the Toyota Supra. The beloved Toyota sports car ended production in 2002, and ever since there has been continuos speculation of a successor.

When the Toyota FT-HS Hybrid Concept made its debut back in 2007, the possibility of a Supra successor started to look bright; however, Toyota later said that sports car just have a lesser priority on the company’s to-do list.

Well, according to the insiders at 7Tune, work has secretly continued on a Supra successor and with enthusiast Akio Toyoda now taking over as CEO, we’re probably closer than ever to a new Toyota Supra.

Internally known as the 086A, a prototype is expected to be completed by the end of 2009. The car has moved out of design phase and sources say that Toyota is looking at a 3.5L V6 engine that will be mated to the current Toyota Crown hybrid system delivering a total of 400-hp to the rear-wheel-drive sports car.

As reported before, the Supra successor is expected to debut in late 2011.

Source: 7Tune

http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/06/22...hybrid-system/

Toyota exec says FT-HS could be ‘Supra of the future’

Toyota’s FT-HS hybrid sports car concept has long been rumoured to be the precursor to the next-generation Mark V Supra but until now we’ve never had any official confirmation or even a suggestion that the two cars are in fact related. Now, on the eve of the Melbourne Motor Show, where the FT-HS will be on display, Toyota exec Peter Evans hinted at the possibility of the FT-HS becoming the Supra.

Speaking at the Australian launch of the car, Evans described the FT-HS as a “’Prius on steroids.” He then added that “it could be a vision for a Toyota Supra of the future.” The FT-HS name itself stands for Future Toyota Hybrid Sports and there’s no reason it couldn’t be the successor to the Supra.

The concept was developed by Toyota’s Calty research and design centre in California and was first displayed at last year’s Detroit Auto Show.
Like previous Supras, the FT-HS is a two door sports coupe with a front mounted engine and RWD layout. Unlike past versions, the concept features an advanced 400hp hybrid powertrain, combining a 197hp electric motor with a 292hp 3.5L petrol V6. In fact, the powertrain of the FT-HS shares a lot in common with Lexus’ GS450h, giving hope that it could eventually make its way into a new sports car.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/c...of-the-future/

Toyota hints FT-HS concept could inspire next Supra

Usually we would have no reason to report on a concept that we've already seen debut. Hence, the Australian debut of Toyota's hybrid FT-HS sports car concept at the Melbourne Auto Show isn't really news. It becomes news, however, when a suit from Toyota Australia makes a veiled comment about the next Supra and its possible ties to the FT-HS. Peter Evans, corporate manger of product planning for Toyota Australia, said "To really appreciate the FT-HS, think of it as a 'Prius on steroids'. Alternatively, it could be a vision for a Toyota Supra of the future." Whaa?
Had this quote been given on the show floor amidst a throng of journalists, one might be able to pass it off as a slip of the tongue. The quote, however, appears in Toyota Australia's press release for the FT-HS debut down under, which can be read in full after the jump. This means it passed by the eyes of countless PR people whose job it is to vet press releases for embarrassing mistakes. This suggests that the quote is not a case of Evans opening his mouth and inserting foot, but rather was meant to be there, perhaps to whet our appetites, stoke our interest and get us all talking. Job well done, Toyota, because otherwise we would have completely ignored the umpteeth debut of the FT-HS in another country.

PRESS RELEASE

TOYOTA SHOWS 'PRIUS ON STEROIDS'

Sports cars will thrive in the 21st century world of rising fuel prices and environmental responsibility, judging by a concept car unveiled today by Toyota Australia.

The FT-HS - which stands for Future Toyota Hybrid Sports - is a futuristic sports-car concept with a sleek, aerodynamic profile and a potent petrol-electric hybrid engine.

Its front-engine, rear-drive layout provides revolutionary hybrid acceleration and optimal performance with a projected 0-100km/h dash in the four-second range.

It also features the fuel-saving benefits and ultra-low emissions of Toyota's hybrid technology.

Toyota Australia's corporate manager product planning Peter Evans said the FT-HS is exhilarating to drive while having eco-friendly benefits such as impressive fuel efficiency and low emissions.

"To really appreciate FT-HS, think of it as a 'Prius on steroids'.
"Alternatively, it could be a vision for a Toyota Supra of the future," Mr Evans said.

"FT-HS shows what Toyota can achieve by combining its 50 years in motorsport with more than a decade of hybrid experience and development.

"The ability to enjoy the ultimate driving pleasure with a clear conscience makes FT-HS the ideal sports car for the 21st century.

"It will appeal to an emerging group of buyers who are environmentally aware and regard technology as a necessity, not a luxury."
Toyota is the global leader in hybrid technology, having sold more than one million units of the world's first mass-produced hybrid, Prius.

The new concept car mates an electric motor to a 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine, which is similar to that used in several production models.
Its combined power output target is about 300kW - or almost 50 per cent more than the V6 petrol-only engine in the Aurion family car, Kluger mid-size SUV, Tarago people mover and RAV4 compact SUV.
FT-HS was produced by Calty, Toyota's California research and design centre.

The centre set out to develop a mid-priced sports car that integrates ecology and emotion in a concept that addresses the question: "What is a suitable sports car for the 21st century?"

Australians can view the FT-HS concept on Toyota's stand at the Melbourne International Motor Show (29 February to 10 March).

TOYOTA FT-HS CONCEPT VEHICLE
PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS
Drivetrain
3.5-litre V6 hybrid electric
Target output: around 300kW
Projected 0-100kmh time: mid four-second range
Dimensions
Overall length: 4325mm (170.27 in)
Overall width: 1860mm (73.23 in)
Overall height: 1290mm (50.79 in)
Wheelbase: 2650mm (104.33 in)
Tracks - front: 1600mm (63.0 in); rear: 1555mm (61.2 in)
Wheels: Carbon fibre
Tyres - front: 245/35R21; rear 285/30R21

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/28/t...re-next-supra/

[Dimman]

Haven't I been seeing this concept for the last 10 years? This will be Toyota's failure number 2, after the LFA.

Hybrid Supra? Seriously Toyota... Go take a tour of the Texas Mile, or anywhere fast imports are drag-raced to re-learn what Supra means. King of the hill!

No one is going to buy a car to brag to GT-R owners that "My Supra gets better mileage!" This car should be raping ZR1s!!!

Anyone see the old South Park episode about the hybrid cars? People who love the smell of their own farts are designing the new Toyota sports cars! Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Haven't I been seeing this concept for the last 10 years? This will be Toyota's failure number 2, after the LFA.

? FT-HS made its debut in 2007. I don't see how the LFA is a fail. All 500 units have been spoken for.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I don't see how the LFA is a fail. All 500 units have been spoken for.

$400000 + slower than Nissan GTR = FAIL

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Originally Posted by Dimman

$400000 + slower than Nissan GTR = FAIL

Its more like $375k

Also, the Supra name is dead. Toyota said it has no plans to bring back the nameplate. FT-HS if it does make it into production it will probably be called something else.

I hope it does make it into production. It looks great, does 0-60 in under 4 seconds, 400hp, rwd, good gas mileage, and pricing said to be $35k to $40k.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Its more like $375k

In that run your extra $300k gets you a 0.2sec and 3mph trap?

Should I have used the 1/3 of the LFA's price ZR1 as my example instead?

Add a few grand to the GTR and it kills the Toyota. What can you do with the carbon-shell, computer-controlled sequential transmission, rev-happy V10 for $5000? Have the dealer change the spark plugs?

It only sold out due to its low volume and speculation. Compare it to something it would be competitive with from a price and purpose standpoint like the $320k Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano F1 and you're looking at 11.2@129.3. The Ferrari is faster, better looking (subjective, but whatever...) and cheaper than the Toyota. It's a novelty car.

Here are a couple 'slow' drag Supras (Mk3s). White car is a street car (full interior but running on slicks here) with a 7MGTE, big turbo, etc... Blue car is 2JZGTE swapped, big turbo etc... also on slicks.

The same blue car earlier on a better track:

Both were built for less than the cost of a new GTR.

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Tons of people think the LFA looks great. Toyota made a good looking car. They used their styling, anyone can make a "Ferrari design''. Nothing else looks like it.

People that brought the LFA doesn't give a crap about $$$

If you knew Toyota's goal when producing the LFA, you would know that speed was just a small factor. They wanted to show the world that they can build a super car, and I think they did a good job.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Tons of people think the LFA looks great. Toyota made a good looking car. They used their styling, anyone can make a "Ferrari design''. Nothing else looks like it.

People that brought the LFA doesn't give a crap about $$$

If you knew Toyota's goal when producing the LFA, you would know that speed was just a small factor. They wanted to show the world that they can build a super car, and I think they did a good job.

Ditto

[Doty0588]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Ditto

X2

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Tons of people think the LFA looks great. Toyota made a good looking car. They used their styling, anyone can make a "Ferrari design''. Nothing else looks like it.

People that brought the LFA doesn't give a crap about $$$

If you knew Toyota's goal when producing the LFA, you would know that speed was just a small factor. They wanted to show the world that they can build a super car, and I think they did a good job.

Toyota's goal was to have some marketing tie-in to their imagined victorious F1 season. The price, timing and V-10 indicate that. And speed is always a bragging right with supercars. As for its looks, like I said it's subjective, but to me the LFA looks like the offspring of a last-generation Celica and an Audi R8 with strong genes. Not to say it's ugly (like the Veyron), I just think the Fiorano is much better looking. (Can't call the catfish-looking Mk4 Supra attractive either for that matter.)

Now there was a bit of hype about how the LFA is a 'driver's' car. And how it's about feel and soul, blah, blah not just raw speed. But given how it was immediately compared against the GTR a lot of that could be viewed at pro-active criticism defense. In the same article I quoted above there were two areas where the ridiculously expensive LFA didn't meet expectations. Engine characteristics (they liked the free-revving motor but it has lousy low-end torque "That's where the real dilemma of the Lexus lies: too many revs for not quite enough grunt, 6800rpm for 354 lb-ft of torque.") and clutch/gearbox action ("would occasionally slip, respond slowly, or even refuse to act.") Both are pretty important, wouldn't you say?

Yes it's a supercar. Is it the best Toyota could do? Nope. A look into its history shows that they were unsure of what they were making from when they started NINE years ago. (Their decision to go with a V-10 was likely made when it looked like their F1 fortunes were improving and people were predicting wins. This is not how you choose an engine for your car design.) Is it the best supercar out there? Nope.

Is it what I would expect spending over a third of a million dollars and having 9 years of development? Not even close.

Now if Toyota takes this ridiculous hybrid 'Supra' path, they better hope they under-produce it too so they can sell them all. These things aren't going to be sold on their performance anyways, more so on the environmental gimmick.

If you want to get better mileage than a GTR, get a Prius. If you want world-dominating performance you should want Toyota to build a proper Supra.

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Lets go over this one more time. "Supra" is dead, Toyota has no plans on bring the name back. FT-HS is the closest that we are going to get to a Supra. Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with a hybrid sport cars. Performance + good gas milage = win in my book

There are tons of hybrid sport cars.







Cant forget about this guy


Toyota Supra HV-R GT hybrid

[Dimman]

There are tons of hybrid sports car CONCEPTS. And race cars built to take advantage of rules favouring new technologies. (Take away the restrictor differences in LeMans and you take away diesel's advantage.)

Part of my point is that the GTR demonstrated that people still want world-beating performance. The Supra represented this in its day. Calling whatever alphanumeric Lexus or Toyota (or God forbid Scion) the spiritual successor to the Supra and then making it some so-so, good-mileage, sporty-coupe is ridiculous. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too. Supra name is gone yet and every press release it pops up all over the place? C'mon... No they won't use it, but they're trying to harvest its heritage. It's an emperor's new clothes thing, marketing trickery.

As for a good-mileage sports car that's what this FR-S is supposed to be. But again it probably won't be all it could be (overweight and soft is my prediction). The Lotus Exige/Elise are what a good-mileage sports car means to me.

But like I said about world-beating performance. People still want it. I want it to come from Toyota. I would prefer it be named Supra. (But much like this FR-S, I could tolerate some alphanumeric nonsense if everything else were good.)

PS: What kind of Supra do you drive?

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I believe two of those concepts have the geenlight. Anyways, hate it or love it. Toyota is working on a hybrid sport car. So when it comes down to it, FT-HS or MR-2 hybrid.

I have a MK4.