New Mazda RX Vision concept

[Allch Chcar]

Tragically, the Rotary died with the RX8. It only lives on in concept cars.

Mazda would be better served as continuing to sell itself as a cheaper alternative to BMWs. It would be nice if that meant more real wheel drive and sporty cars. But in reality it means angry and underpowered economy cars with optional leather bun warmers.

[funwheeldrive]

New Mazdaspeed3 + Rwd Mazda6 = profit

[guybo]

OK, want rotary hate? You got it.

A turbo 1.6L wanker engine will get about 10 MPG and when it runs, it'll be fast as hell and fun, but it won't run often and will spend as much time on a flatbed as the street.

Hate or not, you all know it's true.

As for zoom zoom- it is true that more Mazdas are raced every week in the US than any other car. There are a few modded Mazda 3's around this area and the community is very active at car shows. Even though it's FWD, a 3 can be fast.

[krayzie]

As requested the Mazda Cosmo render.

[zigzagz94]

Thanks Krayzie. It looks like Best Car is assuming that Mazda will continue to copy a lot of the Jaguar F-Type styling cues for this new coupe just like the miata. Doesn't look bad though. Would like to see a rendering of the rear.

Since everybody else is bringing their halo sports cars to Tokyo this year (Supra, Z, etc) it's not far fetched to think Mazda will have a follow up concept to the RX-Vision as well.

[krayzie]

Mazda Cosmo was their real flagship imo, not really the RX-7.

Even the last one looked quite good.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YBCUbVCfCg"]MENCLUB AUTO－豪一次－Eunos Cosmo - YouTube[/ame]

[SCQTT]

LOL, the Miata ND RF....that is as close as we will ever get to a RX again.

The NC the RX8 used the same platform. The rotary offers lots of challenges and almost no advantages.

Perhaps there will be a ND RF-X by Mazdaspeed, but it would be a turbo 4. 60 more HP would be enough to satisfy the RX7/8 itch.

[Mr.Impreza]

Sick car yo! I per-ordered mine already!

[reni]

dumb comments are dumb

If just the most boring, efficient way to make horsepower was the only measure of how good a car was, nobody would drive an 86.

There will never be anything like sound and feel of winding a rotary out to 9500rpm, fuel economy be damned.

It's kind of like how a newfangled V-6 turbo hybrid may actually make similar power and more torque on less fuel than a high-revving naturally aspirated V-10, but it will never get the adrenaline flowing like the latter.

fuck it, let's all just drive camrys I guess

[SCQTT]

reni you do realize building cars is a business, right?

This collection of people is probably the most passionate group about this platform and yet we are all over the place on what we expect. Do you think Toyota/Subaru has a hit on their hands? This thing is a flop. Do you think the last RX7 or RX8 was a success? They were flops.

Perhaps there is a marketing reason to make cars such as this, and a car containing a rotary, but from a fiscal standpoint it makes no sense.

Your comment about nobody driving an 86 is sorta true, they are not selling enough to keep it going. The FJ Cruiser sold twice as many units ON AVERAGE during its run as the 86s best year (in N/A) and they killed it....SUVs are popular........(effectively) two seat sports cars are NOT.

Most of these manufacturers are trying to tap into that Mazda NA magic. That was a huge success and even they have had trouble recapturing that.

That rolls right back to what consumers want. The NA was super bare bones, but no one would buy a car like that now, just look at the comments here. How many people on here would like to have a sunroof in their 86?

It would be cool to see another rotary, it would be cool to see VW do a rear engine Bug, it would be awesome if Toyota would bring their diesel Hilux to America.

[krayzie]

If the rotary engine is really not feasible by any means, why not switch to a flat-6 boxer in a 3-way collaboration between Toyota, Mazda, and Subaru?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by krayzie

If the rotary engine is really not feasible by any means, why not switch to a flat-6 boxer in a 3-way collaboration between Toyota, Mazda, and Subaru?

It is feasible. Rx needs a rotary.

[ZDan]

Rotary is neat (I've owned one), but is not feasible for a real-world production car, even a limited 2-seat sports car. Too many major inherent issues, primarily inefficiency due to heat rejection of broad rotor faces and the difficulties of trying to seal broad flat surfaces as opposed to compact cylindrical surfaces.

They should develop a compact ~225-250hp 2.0-2.5 liter V4 to keep the hoodline and cowl LOW and wheelbase short, and power the Vision with that, with or without a 350hp turbo option.

*maybe* a rotary-powered option for the dedicated few, but for sure the "base" vehicle should be piston-engined.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

reni you do realize building cars is a business, right?

You can want something without denying reality. Reni's is one of the more well reasoned opinions on the matter.

Originally Posted by ZDan

*maybe* a rotary-powered option for the dedicated few, but for sure the "base" vehicle should be piston-engined.

Like the RX-8, it would be silly to not base a rotary coupe off the ND's chassis.

Therefore, the "base" vehicle already exists, and it's getting a Fiat subsidy.

Honestly I wouldn't mind an RX-5, just an ND with a Wankel