It Gets Old Fast | Real Life: Modding a Nerf

[ericmpena]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

What's really funny is that in 20 years or so people will be buying up what's left of these cars and spending ridiculous amounts of money to restore them back to stock.

Yup, and those bone stock cars will be much more valuable than the ones who have 15k dumped into them. lol.

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

I have said it before and will say it again: If you hate the stock FR-S/BRZ that much there is something wrong with you, not the car. I have never had the pleasure of owning a "super car" or even a spendy Euro, but I have had the opportunity to drive or be a passenger in a few. The stock FR-S, for being a "cheap" car, is a real taste of the exotic. A whole bunch of FR-S/BRZ owners, as has been said, "bought the wrong fucking car". I'm not sure if I should laugh at or feel sad for those who hop in their awesome little car and hate it for what it lacks. It really must suck.

Nobody gets what I'm saying. I don't hate it I don't regret getting this car all I was saying is that they should have released a FI model ALONG with this NA model.

[ProjectGT86]

When I got the FRS I never wanted to turn it into a track car, it's a new sports car, you take old miatas and track them out, there's proven parts that work with them because the things been around since the dinosaurs, the FRS is new there are not many proven mods for it, (especially when it comes to force induction) my plans for modding this car are simple. new headers, down and overpipe, CAI, Crank pulley + tuning, and some max perf tires. won't cost me much more than 3k and the car will still be reliable, and be putting down anywhere between 200-220whp it's still not going to be as fast as the STIs and built WRXs or Audi S4s but those little mods and tuning will fix that craving for more power and won't really break the bank and still let me enjoy the car

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

No shit? I'm driving home the point that multiple performance trims can be launched along with the base on its first model year...

Not at this price point. Adding something as simple as a factory turbo to this car would push it up into the mid to high 30s, right out of its market niche. The whole point of this car is to provide a relatively inexpensive base sports car for people who don't want to spend $10K or $20K more. There are already plenty of other competitors in that space.

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

... allowing consumers to pay for the performance they want.

They can already pay for the performance they want, either by purchasing some other more expensive car or buying this one and adding go fast parts.

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

Nobody gets what I'm saying. I don't hate it I don't regret getting this car all I was saying is that they should have released a FI model ALONG with this NA model.

I get exactly what you're saying. I'm just convinced that you're wrong, primarily because you don't fully understand what the car is supposed to be.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Not at this price point. Adding something as simple as a factory turbo to this car would push it up into the mid to high 30s, right out of its market niche. The whole point of this car is to provide a relatively inexpensive base sports car for people who don't want to spend $10K or $20K more. There are already plenty of other competitors in that space.



They can already pay for the performance they want, either by purchasing some other more expensive car or buying this one and adding go fast parts.

Exactly, and that's why OP feels they designed it to a pricepoint and stopped. They did. Look at Porsche, they have a car for any amount of $ you want to spend. Spend more $ get a little more HP a little more performance.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I'd have my shotgun ready.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1351744

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

Nobody gets what I'm saying. I don't hate it I don't regret getting this car all I was saying is that they should have released a FI model ALONG with this NA model.

I understand what you meant, but a whole lot of people seem to misunderstand what Mr. Tada meant. I really do think the FR-S/BRZ won't last one generation before they fuck it up because that's what people want them to do so it's "better".

Originally Posted by ericmpena

Yup, and those bone stock cars will be much more valuable than the ones who have 15k dumped into them. lol.

The "lol" makes me think your are serious. Since I do think the FR-S/BRZ will indeed be a classic some day, which one do you think will be more valuable years from now? The rusting, mismatched body panel leaky fartcan riced-out abused POS or the well-cared for stock example?

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Not at this price point. Adding something as simple as a factory turbo to this car would push it up into the mid to high 30s, right out of its market niche. The whole point of this car is to provide a relatively inexpensive base sports car for people who don't want to spend $10K or $20K more. There are already plenty of other competitors in that space.



They can already pay for the performance they want, either by purchasing some other more expensive car or buying this one and adding go fast parts.



I get exactly what you're saying. I'm just convinced that you're wrong, primarily because you don't fully understand what the car is supposed to be.

You must have just watched a YouTube review because this isn't news to myself or 99% of the rest of the forum. Calm down, I'm done talking with you and your vast knowledge of this platform...

[spdfreak]

Hardcore modding certainly is tedious and takes a lot of will power.
I've been through it on my old car and plenty of my friend's cars. There's a point of diminishing returns and you seem to have crossed it.

If your will is waning, you're in for some bad times.

[Quentin]

I think that this thread highlights that there is no such thing as "no compromise". Each and every decision comes along with a compromise of some type. Cost, reliability, drivability, maintenance, etc. I don't like the looks of the stock FR-S wheels, but it is tough to find a wheel and tire combo that will retain the super enjoyable stock drive. Too wide of a tire w/ a stickier compound? Some of that toss ability goes out the window. Bigger, prettier 18" wheels? Unless you spend a pretty penny, you're likely increasing rotational inertia. Even then, most tires out there seem to weigh a good bit more than the stockers even if you do keep the same width and rolling diameter. Swaybars might make it corner flatter, but depending what rubber you have and the road conditions, it might be more likely to step out without much warning (I learned this lesson the hard way in my 2.5RS... put a bigger RSB on it and found myself facing the same direction I'd come from on a tight, gravel covered, downhill hairpin). I changed the tires on my 4Runner and absolutely hated how the truck drove afterward... even though they were the same size and highly rated on Tirerack. To me, the biggest decision is finding a car that is designed to do what you want out of a car with the force of the OEM's engineering team behind it. Picking the right car in the first place is 90% of the battle. From then on, one must choose carefully and remember that every decision is a compromise in some way or another. You just have to understand what that compromise is and if that compromise is something you are willing to live with.

[Wolfking]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

What's really funny is that in 20 years or so people will be buying up what's left of these cars and spending ridiculous amounts of money to restore them back to stock.

I sort of get what you're trying to say, but that statement is a little misleading. How can upgrades be percieved as a bad thing, as long as they are only N/A upgrades?

I've just installed a Takeda intake and Cusco front STB w/mbc brace, and let me tell you, I now have a better car!

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by Wolfking

I sort of get what you're trying to say, but that statement is a little misleading. How can upgrades be percieved as a bad thing, as long as they are only N/A upgrades?

I've just installed a Takeda intake and Cusco front STB w/mbc brace, and let me tell you, I now have a better car!

The same way a single mom has a much smaller chance of finding a keeper.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Wolfking

I sort of get what you're trying to say, but that statement is a little misleading. How can upgrades be percieved as a bad thing, as long as they are only N/A upgrades?

I've just installed a Takeda intake and Cusco front STB w/mbc brace, and let me tell you, I now have a better car!

Maybe not the first owner, but you can bet that the 2nd or 3rd owners will jack these things up pretty badly. There are quite a few that already have questionable mods as far as long term durability/drivability.

[Chazbo]

A little about my background. I don't really know a ton about cars. My last manual was a shitbox '91 Acura Integra, that I bought for 3K with purple bubbly tint, a leaky as fuck trunk, a front wheel drive monstrosity that I loved dearly, even when the brakes were so bad that I had to downshift just to slow down.

After that was a 2004 Ford F150, which was primarily bought to haul around my dirt bike. 2008 YZ450F. She's my baby. Hell they both are. I still love my truck to pieces. I have been tainted by 6+ years of driving an automatic and I am relatively struggling with this new car in manual transmission. I am not really struggling, more like I am terrified the asshat behind me is going to line up on my bumper on a hill start and I am going to crash into them before I even make my first payment kind of terrified.

In all my years of motocross riding, there is a constant. 90% rider, 10% bike. I have seen people do things on clapped out bikes with no crazy expensive tunes or upgrades that make my head spin. The point I am getting at is that no mods are going to magically make a person a better driver. Seat time and experience will get a person there.

My BRZ is stock. This is my first ever new car purchase and I am not going to do any mods. First off, I don't know what the hell I am doing. Secondly, I need that warranty. These cars are still in their infancy and I am hesitant to make changes or even really trust cars that are so young. (Think Windows Vista/Windows 8.)

If you guys have all this extra cash to burn, why are you not just buying a Porsche Cayman and calling it a day? I get the bonding with a new car and knowing how it gets taken apart, but this all seems like you, having known what you were walking into, (lower power, whatever else gripes with the car, etc. which is the reason for modifying in the first place) did you not go a different direction and be done with it?

This is not directed at anyone in particular, and I have not seen a modded out FR-S/BRZ in my neck of the woods yet, but it will come. I do not like to see my style car bastardized with a riced out body modification or ironing board spoiler. This is not Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift. Fuck!