This is the C8 mid-engine Chevy Corvette

[reni]

LOL, even MK5 forum people would rather have a C8: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/sup...8-corvette.834

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Jay is kind of a goober. He is a car enthusiast and knows a lot, but then at times he just seems clueless. I can't say I enjoy most of his reviews.

He is just getting old.




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[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

This is a good summary video:

NO! I DO NOT NEED THAT CAR!




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[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

For years the automatic was the more expensive option. These days the manual transmission is still the cheaper option if it is offered, but we are seeing the trends change. Sometimes the manual transmission is offered at the same price of the automatic, and sometimes the manual transmission is only offered on the lowest spec, assuming that it was the penny pinchers who picked the manual transmission, so they also wouldn't want any fancy options.


Times have changed. The manual transmission might not be feasible for many vehicles like crossovers, SUVs, large sedans or even econoboxes, but there is still enough demand for a manual transmission in the sports car world where I could see them offering the manual as a premium option. Meaning, it is the enthusiasts who want the manual, so the enthusiasts will likely pay more to have three pedals if the manual option was offered with a surcharge. Maybe the costs are still prohibitive to make it possible.

The difference is those automatics could be bolted up to multiple cars and engines. GM is asking for a one-off with the Corvette and no one wants to build tooling just for that. As I said, companies like Porsche get around it by having all their cars with manuals across two platforms that use the same transaxle while the 7-MT shares tonnes of parts with the PDK. GM has nothing else midengined in its line-up.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by reni

LOL, even MK5 forum people would rather have a C8: https://www.supramkv.com/threads/sup...8-corvette.834

Uh, yeah. I mean, as nice as the Supra is, I'll save up longer and pay 20% more for the near exotic with a NA V8. As an added bonus it means more jobs for the Canadian and US suppliers instead of the Austrians.

[Summerwolf]

Keep in mind only the base model is under 60K. To get the great 0-60 (and limited slip, wtf?!?!) you're adding the Z51 package. To get the super nice interior its the uprated package. Prices will add up quick and there will be a ton of variety in options.


Once they come out with a GS or Z06 or Zr1 etc etc they'll be supercar territory in pricing, which they should be.


Same pricing structure system as they've always been. Although these seem to have a wide variety of options at launch when you go to "build" one on the website.


The Supra may still have a niche, but.... yikes.

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by unhappymeal

The difference is those automatics could be bolted up to multiple cars and engines. GM is asking for a one-off with the Corvette and no one wants to build tooling just for that. As I said, companies like Porsche get around it by having all their cars with manuals across two platforms that use the same transaxle while the 7-MT shares tonnes of parts with the PDK. GM has nothing else midengined in its line-up.

Corvette sells enough volume that it could justify it. Last I heard the uptake on manuals was about 25% of corvettes sold. The problem is the new car is just designed with no physical way to get a manual in that package. I'm not too upset, the performance bracket the new corvette is aiming for is basically all DCT's. From a performance standpoint it makes sense. The car is incredibly quick now even in base form.

The Supra on the other hand really isn't in that performance bracket, and could really benefit from the engagement of a manual. I've driven a B58 with a 6speed in the RWD 340i, and they're an absolute blast!

[nextcar]

Note: even the base has a limited slip differential... Z51 adds an electronic limited slip.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Keep in mind only the base model is under 60K. To get the great 0-60 (and limited slip, wtf?!?!) you're adding the Z51 package. To get the super nice interior its the uprated package. Prices will add up quick and there will be a ton of variety in options.


Once they come out with a GS or Z06 or Zr1 etc etc they'll be supercar territory in pricing, which they should be.


Same pricing structure system as they've always been. Although these seem to have a wide variety of options at launch when you go to "build" one on the website.


The Supra may still have a niche, but.... yikes.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Keep in mind only the base model is under 60K. To get the great 0-60 (and limited slip, wtf?!?!) you're adding the Z51 package. To get the super nice interior its the uprated package. Prices will add up quick and there will be a ton of variety in options.

Yea, the first year base model may be the unicorn 10 years from now. It will be interesting to see how much my "base" model would cost me (I'd have to add the Z51, plus I can't help but add trim levels). So far, in the configurator, this is my C8....

[maslin]

On that note...

Anyone care to indulge us non-Corvette people? What's the run down on model structure?

Stingray - base
Z51 - light performance
GS - "Touring"
Z06 - Medium performance
ZR1 - All out performance

Something like that?


Even optioned up I can't see them really pushing "supercar" prices. A 911 Turbo starts at $162k, a GT2 RS is $293k +. Maybe a loaded Z06 will be competing price wise with a 911 GTS at $121k?

The cheapest McLaren starts at $195k. AMG GT "starts" at $112, I've never seen one under $150k.

That's not even getting in to the Italians. The c8 would have to be literally dipped in gold to hit their prices.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Note: even the base has a limited slip differential... Z51 adds an electronic limited slip.

Where did you see that information? It would make perfect sense, but I've seen multiple sources say you have to get the Z51.


Info is still trickling out every day!

EDIT: found it on the order sheet. 00J: mechanical limited slip differential.

Nice!

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by maslin

On that note...

Anyone care to indulge us non-Corvette people? What's the run down on model structure?

Stingray - base
Z51 - light performance
GS - "Touring"
Z06 - Medium performance
ZR1 - All out performance

Something like that?


Even optioned up I can't see them really pushing "supercar" prices. A 911 Turbo starts at $162k, a GT2 RS is $293k +. Maybe a loaded Z06 will be competing price wise with a 911 GTS at $121k?

That's not even getting in to the Italians. The c8 would have to be literally dipped in gold to hit their prices.

A 2019 Zr1 is starting around 120K currently.


I could easily see 150K for certain trim C8.


Stingray - base
Z51 - light performance
GS - Z06 light
Z06 - Track Car
ZR1 - Track Car +


I guess that's how it would stack out....but they're all able to be driven on the streets without hassle. Depends on if they supercharge or add displacement in the future, what direction they really want to go with the car. They change and overlap purpose quite a bit through the years.

[maslin]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

A 2019 Zr1 is starting around 120K currently.


I could easily see 150K for certain trim C8.


Stingray - base
Z51 - light performance
GS - Z06 light
Z06 - Track Car
ZR1 - Track Car +


I guess that's how it would stack out....but they're all able to be driven on the streets without hassle. Depends on if they supercharge or add displacement in the future, what direction they really want to go with the car. They change and overlap purpose quite a bit through the years.

Thanks. Even at $150k it will be a bargain. Top trim with all the power, competing against middle of the road/base models from ever other brand.

We had a c6 ZR1 traded in years ago, that thing was a blast. Definitely pushing the limit of "street driveable while keeping one's drivers license".

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

Corvette sells enough volume that it could justify it. Last I heard the uptake on manuals was about 25% of corvettes sold. The problem is the new car is just designed with no physical way to get a manual in that package. I'm not too upset, the performance bracket the new corvette is aiming for is basically all DCT's. From a performance standpoint it makes sense. The car is incredibly quick now even in base form.

The Supra on the other hand really isn't in that performance bracket, and could really benefit from the engagement of a manual. I've driven a B58 with a 6speed in the RWD 340i, and they're an absolute blast!

Please read the earlier posts before you respond. The C7 Corvette program at its peak did 35,000 units per year. In total, it was <160,000 units for its 6-year run and the manual take rate program wide was 15% (source: The Corvette Program Lead Engineer).

For reference, BMW does around 150,000 units for the 3/4 series in a single year and they are dropping the stick because it's not profitable. Oh and BMW is using an off-the-shelf Getrag or ZF manual that is bolted to tonnes of other cars, not some one-off unique design.

There is not enough volume for a one-off manual to be profitable in the C8 program.