FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by catharsis

A sports car is a car designed for driving enjoyment

Bingo. That's all it is. There's no need to put blinders on and ignore all the fun cars out there.

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

Pictures from that same page shown as examples:

Not only did you include the picture of the Boxster, you even included the 90's Lotus Elan....which is front drive! Bravo to you for no longer being so discriminatory.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by catharsis

I don't know why people argue semantics about what "is" a sports car. A sports car is a car designed for driving enjoyment, it handles well, and accelerates acceptably quick. You have economy cars, you have minivans, you have luxury cars (they might have big brute engines but feel like boats) and you have sports cars. In this day and age they can or may not have 4 door, they only have 200hp, or they may have 500hp. They're all sports cars to me.

a low small usually 2-passenger automobile designed for quick response, easy maneuverability, and high-speed driving

Pretty much what you said here. Sportcar is divided into Sport sedan and sport coupe. Anything 2 door is a sport car is not relevant now.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

That's UGLY.


An older gentleman I know owns a '67 Corvette Sting Ray (Stingrays didn't exist til '69) vert. That is a sports car. Sports cars have 2 seats and RWD; some have fixed roofs and some don't. Engine placement is debatable, though I suppose rear-midship is optimal.

This is 2012, not 1967 or 1969.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

This is 2012, not 1967 or 1969.

Yeah that's too bad, cars back then looked good.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Most sports cars nowadays offer to much conveniences to be considered "Pure". My definition of a sports car can be said with two cars the Elise/Exige. It doesn't have any features or backseats or any aids to save your life. It is only available with a manual and is as light as any so called sports car. Also there are other supercars with the same attributes. etc Viper/Ford GT/Koenigsegg CCX

All other sports cars is generally a GT Sports(2+2) car since they are more livable and offer some form of practicality but still offer sporty dynamics. The FRS is a small GT Sports car and the GC is a medium sized GT Sports car. They are not pure Sports cars like the above mentioned.etc 911/Rx8/GT-R

A regular GT is best described as something like a SC430/Is350c. All luxury and cushyness over sport on a long journey.

I was reading and listening up to the point you mentioned RX8 and GT-R being "pure" sports cars.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The GC backseat is only for people under 5''3'. It's not useable also and the GC can't haul 4 tires. The main reason in the other thread I said that was because of the engine in the 335i being much better for DD.

So it's that huge and you can't use the back seats....wow, even more of a Fail then.

[vq37]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

So it's that huge and you can't use the back seats....wow, even more of a Fail then.

Not the case for 2013 GC.

"The rear seat is designed for adults, not just children. Instead of three rear seats, our engineers used the available space to make sure it's comfortable for two. The large, drop-beltline side windows give rear passengers a clear view, while large door openings and a walk-in assist feature on the driver and passenger seats, make it easier to get in and out.
"

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/f...features2.aspx

[Dark]

Originally Posted by vq37

Not the case for 2013 GC.

"The rear seat is designed for adults, not just children. Instead of three rear seats, our engineers used the available space to make sure it's comfortable for two. The large, drop-beltline side windows give rear passengers a clear view, while large door openings and a walk-in assist feature on the driver and passenger seats, make it easier to get in and out.
"

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/f...features2.aspx

Thanks for more point to prove that GC is a GT. LOL

[vq37]

Originally Posted by Dark

Thanks for more point to prove that GC is a GT. LOL

Indeed it's very much a GT car. Who said it was anything other than that?
It has all the features of a modern GT car, and hyundai classifies it as a GT car that is aimed at other cars (such as the G37 and 335i) which are also GT cars.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by vq37

Indeed it's very much a GT car. Who said it was anything other than that?
It has all the features of a modern GT car, and hyundai classifies it as a GT car that is aimed at other cars (such as the G37 and 335i) which are also GT cars.

Look at the previous page, you will see.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I was reading and listening up to the point you mentioned RX8 and GT-R being "pure" sports cars.

You read it wrong Dragon. When I put etc. next to that one it was under GT Sports car and not Pure Sports car.

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

So it's that huge and you can't use the back seats....wow, even more of a Fail then.

The problem is head room. Have you ever sat in the rear seat of the GC?

Originally Posted by vq37

Not the case for 2013 GC.

"The rear seat is designed for adults, not just children. Instead of three rear seats, our engineers used the available space to make sure it's comfortable for two. The large, drop-beltline side windows give rear passengers a clear view, while large door openings and a walk-in assist feature on the driver and passenger seats, make it easier to get in and out.
"

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicles/f...features2.aspx

The rear seats can fit adults the size of children. I am 5''9' and my head was slumped over the glass

Originally Posted by vq37

Indeed it's very much a GT car. Who said it was anything other than that?
It has all the features of a modern GT car, and hyundai classifies it as a GT car that is aimed at other cars (such as the G37 and 335i) which are also GT cars.

I never said it wasn't a GT car but it isn't a real GT car either. A real GT car is about luxury and sophistication with little to no kind of sportyness. The GC is a GT Sports coupe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_Coupe

Look at what class it falls under.

[SUB-FT86]

A GT car

Grand tourers differ from standard two-seat sports cars in typically being engineered as larger and heavier, emphasizing comfort over straight-out performance or spartan accommodations. Historically, most GTs have been front-engined with rear-wheel drive, which creates more space for the cabin than mid-mounted engine layouts. Softer suspensions, greater storage, and more luxurious appointments add to their driving appeal. Some very high-performance grand tourers, such as the Aston Martin DB9, Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, and the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren make various compromises in the opposite direction while rivalling sports cars in speed, acceleration, and cornering ability, earning them the special designation supercars.


Examples of GT's

• AC Frua
• Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
• Alfa Romeo Montreal
• Aston Martin DB2
• Aston Martin DB Mark III
• Aston Martin DB4
• Aston Martin DB5
• Aston Martin DB6
• Aston Martin V8
• Aston Martin V8 Vantage
• Aston Martin DB7
• Aston Martin DB9
• Aston Martin Vanquish
• Aston Martin DBS
• Bentley Continental GT Speed
• BMW 8 Series
• BMW 6 Series
• Bugatti Veyron
• Cadillac CTS-V
• Cadillac XLR
• Chevrolet Corvette
• Citroen GT Concept
• Citroën SM
• Ferrari 575M
• Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
• Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
• Ferrari California
• Fiat Dino
• Ford GT
• Iso Grifo
• Iso Rivolta
• Jaguar XJS
• Jaguar XK
• Jensen 541S
• Jensen CV8
• Jensen Interceptor
• Lamborghini 350GT
• Lamborghini 400GT
• Lamborghini Islero
• Lamborghini Jarama
• Lancia Aurelia
• Lancia Flaminia
• Lexus LFA
• Lexus SC
• Lotus Elite (1970s-80s)
• Lotus Eclat
• Lotus Excel
• Lincoln Mark VIII
• Maserati Ghibli
• Maserati Indy
• Maserati Khamsin
• Maserati Bora
• Maserati Merak
• Maserati 3200 GT
• Maserati 3500 GT
• Maserati 5000 GT
• Maserati Coupé
• Maserati GranTurismo
• Mazda RX-7
• Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing
• Mercedes-Benz CL-Class
• Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
• Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG
• Mitsubishi 3000GT
• Monteverdi High Speed
• Nissan Skyline GT-R
• Nissan GT-R
• Nissan Z-car
• Noble M14
• Noble M15
• Noble M600
• Peugeot 907 Concept
• Porsche 928
• Subaru Alcyone SVX
• Toyota 2000GT
• Toyota Soarer
• Toyota Supra

[edit] See also

One could argue that the FRS is a GT car also. It is larger and heavier than a Lotus Elise and offers two extra seats with more features and softer suspension than a Lotus Elise. Also in Europe it's called the Toyota GT86. Any bells ringing yet?

[SUB-FT86]

In the future all sports car will become GT's because they will make them more luxurious and practical for the consumers. Look at Lotus future cars for example and Ferrari and Lamborghini only offering DCT only on important models. The new 911(991) is luxurious inside compared to the last gen. There is going to be a differentiation of GT cars.

GT
GT Sports cars
GT supercars

I feel the GC and the FRS fall into the GT-S category but in different sizes.

[spin9k]

I was going to say. If the definition of "GT" is to be stuck to some quaint definition of 30 years ago, why even bother to discuss it? Great and all for bar room debates, but essesntially meaningless as a performance metric considering the dearth of barebones cars of any type.

That list makes me laugh