FR-S Future Models 2016+

[F1fletch]

Hi ladies and gents, with all the special edition models (which are quite cool imo), where do you see the model going by 2016/17. We seem to be getting the message that Toyburu does not want to boost the model, will that hold true?

Do you think we will see a displacement bump to help torque?

A touring model with more sound deadening and power amenities?

With the FT1 looking more and more likely to becoming the next Supra, and with chatter that Toyota wants competition to the GTR, AND plan to use the shared BMW platform, it is sadly looking like the FT1 could easily be a 60k plus (maybe big plus) proposition. If this holds true, the market between 25-50k could use some help which begs pondering over future higher end FRS models.... Let's say 35k for arguments sake.

I spend lots of time mulling such thoughts and as I lay down icing/heating my sore back, I felt compelled to write and hopefully discuss a fun topic of reality based conclusions for our prized boxer mobile. I have owned a Huge amount of vehicles (another topic) and my brother currently owns one of the nicest Evo X's in the Valley. We are total gear heads and enjoy discussing performance and F1 topics to nausium. He is also a certified Mercedes Tech and is dying to get me from my 335is into a Merc.... Lol "the dark side of the force" . We don't agree on everything but we agree on this.

The horsepower wars are ON!!!! Make no mistake, everything from GTI's to M4's are getting faster and more efficient. I believe as I love our platform of the FRS/BRZ that the sky is the limit and I can't help seeing a number of ways they could go to offer more...

A lightweight model with carbon, modest bump in hp ... GT3 style :-)
A boosted model with 275-300 hp big brakes and suspension upgrades filling the gap between big brother (FT1/Supra)

Anyhewwww, wanted to open this up and get your thoughts. Hopefully a fun topic on future models (no truck talk or 4 doors allowed), this is all about performance upgrades and progression of the model, building on the positives we have today.

[TylerLieberman]

No major changes at all.


It'll be the same car as it's been since 2013.

They'll stop making the car before they do any crazy changes/upgrades to it..

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

No major changes at all.


It'll be the same car as it's been since 2013.

They'll stop making the car before they do any crazy changes/upgrades to it..

Sad but true. I have a hard time seeing the car getting a second generation despite what has been said/posted. Sales have slowed drastically as basically everyone who wanted one got there's and the second hand market is allowing people who did not want to pay 25K-30K for the car access to it.

To the OP BTW, adding boost, big brakes, and weight reduction would push this car into a range that would make the car un-realistic price wise compared to other cars. There is a reason it was built. To bring back cheap, lightish, RWD cars. This they nailed. Make no mistake, I would love to see this car continue just not spec that way. Your dream is what aftermarket is for. Have you driven a twin on the track stock or with light bolt ons, its a blast. The car is great just the way it is.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

BTW, adding boost, big brakes, and weight reduction would push this car into a range that would make the car un-realistic price wise compared to other cars. There is a reason it was built. To bring back cheap, lightish, RWD cars. This they nailed. Make no mistake, I would love to see this car continue just not spec that way. Your dream is what aftermarket is for. Have you driven a twin on the track stock or with light bolt ons, its a blast. The car is great just the way it is.

The car does not even need bigger breaks (I know, you didn't say it did, someone else must have but I did not find that comment) it just needs better rubber which anyone can choose to put on themselves. But yeah, you point out the greatest flaw in everyone's argument for a upgrades Twin; everyone wants it to be BETTER while also being CHEAPER... Cannot happen.

[YangerD]

Personally I believe this car is perfect the way it is. Surely a little more power would be great but that's not what this car was meant to be; it was meant to be fun going around corners, up canyons and track fun. Like someone else said that only thing that should be 'improved' are the stock tires but in reality that's not a problem at all with the car really.

[TylerLieberman]

I won't sit here and say the car is "perfect" from the box but I can say that Toyota did a good job with what they intended to do. Personally, I can think of quite a few things I don't like about the way the car is from the factory, but I've pretty much taken care of most of it all with aftermarket parts-as have others.

If they did do a turbocharged variant, I'd be totally content if it still had 200hp using a turbo engine, simply because it would be so easy to bring out extra power from it if you wanted.


At this point, you're best off just buying one and doing what you want to do with it. The car serves as a blank canvas. It's such a diverse chassis that you can do so much with it. Buy one, and just choose which route you want to go with the car.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

The car does not even need bigger breaks

I prefer my car have no breaks at all.

[carma143]

Pure speculation, but the 2020 model might have a NA engine with more hp and torque.

86; (6 + 8) / 2 = 7; 2013 + 7 = 2020

Edit: Or they might add a better engine for the 6th year and a new body for the 8th.

[Tcoat]

This (the side stating why no big changes):
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77088

[Mim]

Ok so since release we have had some minor suspension tweaks and that's about it.


Taking a holistic view of the product and what sort of an update would be cost effective (across every market) and that would make the majority of customers happy. I'd be looking to a fresh new style of lighter wheels, better rubber and a diff ratio change.


That still leaves the door open to trim levels and would not cost (when spread across the whole production line) much per car. This will further improve handling and road feel through reduced UN-sprung weight and most important of all will improve engine response and low end power to aid in daily driving.


I have only owned my own twin for three weeks and though I am actually pretty happy with it how it is now, I can certainly see that as a pretty warranty friendly mod direction to go to that will improve on the already pretty amazing handling package, but make my daily driver even more engaging. I would also argue that the diff upgrade would actually improve fuel economy through the better gearing ie less effort to get the car off the line and when at speed to reduce the need to drop a gear on some slopes / hilly roads. I'm also drooling at the thought of improving throttle response further

[DAEMANO]

I'm on the side that says a schedule sort of like thas:


2012-World Release / 2013 North America debut
2016-2017 - Mostly Cosmetic Update (4 years later)
2019-2020 - Full re-design with same principles (2+2, NA, RWD, lightweight) (2 years after that)


Until 2019, there will be more low volume cosmetic (Release Series, 10 series, TS, etc.) and track-type variants and probably more parts available via TRD/STi. What you won't see are any F.I. variants directly from the factory.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I'm on the side that says a schedule sort of like thas:


2012-World Release / 2013 North America debut
2016-2017 - Mostly Cosmetic Update (4 years later)
2019-2020 - Full re-design with same principles (2+2, NA, RWD, lightweight) (2 years after that)


Until 2019, there will be more low volume cosmetic (Release Series, 10 series, TS, etc.) and track-type variants and probably more parts available via TRD/STi. What you won't see are any F.I. variants directly from the factory.

YEP! I think I am going to just copy this and repost it on the 10000 other new speculation threads that will come up over the next few months.
Unless of course that was your plan.

[civdaddy]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I'm on the side that says a schedule sort of like thas:


2012-World Release / 2013 North America debut
2016-2017 - Mostly Cosmetic Update (4 years later)
2019-2020 - Full re-design with same principles (2+2, NA, RWD, lightweight) (2 years after that)


Until 2019, there will be more low volume cosmetic (Release Series, 10 series, TS, etc.) and track-type variants and probably more parts available via TRD/STi. What you won't see are any F.I. variants directly from the factory.

That sounds about right assuming the sales meet their projections. They may not do a full re-design. A facelift could suffice with some powertrain changes. The proportions and styling of the car seem like it will look new for many years.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

No major changes at all.


It'll be the same car as it's been since 2013.

They'll stop making the car before they do any crazy changes/upgrades to it..

2015 has slightly different front suspension though remember?
I think you mean it'll be the same car as 2015