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empower-auto · 06-19-2012, 03:20 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1741

How do you guys feel about this? Only on the market for a short while and already some major changes planned.

I feel a little uneasy about this. Is this a cop-out on potential issues with current FR-S/BRZ models? Does this practice really give us early-adopters confidence in our purchase and the brand?

Imagine you walk off the lot with your new car and the first thing you hear is about how it's being improved in the next year.

ahausheer · 06-19-2012, 03:24 PM

Dont have mine yet but I would be mad if I did. I may be forced financially to wait a year or so. But major changes indicates unresolved issues.

5hairpins · 06-19-2012, 03:28 PM

I expected as much, did not affect my purchase decision. I am waiting for TRD to release a supercharger as that would be something I am interested in.

empower-auto · 06-19-2012, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5hairpins

I expected as much, did not affect my purchase decision. I am waiting for TRD to release a supercharger as that would be something I am interested in.

I'm with you on that one.

How have the TRD Supercharger's been for all-season reliability in the past on other platforms?

HunterGreene · 06-19-2012, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by empower-auto

I'm with you on that one.

How have the TRD Supercharger's been for all-season reliability in the past on other platforms?

Hey, look, I can post as an expert on something!

I have been running the Vortech TRD supercharger on my tC for almost 4.5 years now, and its been a good piece of equipment year-round. There have been some known issues with the setup changes they made for the 07 model year (which I have), but assuming TRD does their homework, this would be a solid piece of equipment. However, you can expect this to be AT LEAST a $4000 (US) upgrade, unless they charge even more because this is a legitimate sports car. I hope I'm wrong.

Others I know who have had the S/C have never had issues with it, winter/spring/summer/fall. If anything, its more fun in the winter, thanks to the denser air.

K2 · 06-19-2012, 03:38 PM

You can play the waiting game forever. Next year's model will always have mechanical, features, and/or styling improvements. Or you can just jump in and enjoy it now. These proposed changes may improve a few numbers on paper but won't significantly affect the already through the roof "fun" quotient.

Opposed · 06-19-2012, 03:42 PM

How else are cars suppose to evolve? I knew this would happen before I bought mine and didn't stop me. That's why im leasing mine. I will enjoy it for a few years, and if the next one is better, I will switch. Until then, this article only showed one thing they were changing. And it looks like the intake setup could be the cause of the torque dip possibly. So a few hundred dollars in some quality aftermarket parts and a tune should fix this as well as bring more power than this new "FA201" anyways...You never know what car companys are going to do. Would I be pissed if I bought a 2009 Mazdapeed 3 just to find out shortly after they redesigned it? Hell no, cause the new one is ugly!!! Sometimes when a car is done just right, its hard to improve too much.

rice_classic · 06-19-2012, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by empower-auto

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1741

How do you guys feel about this? .

These changes motivated me to buy early. I did not want those changes.

blu_ · 06-19-2012, 03:44 PM

I really don't get how this is at all unusual.

What do you think the R&D team does after they finish the current model year designs?

TuxedoCartman · 06-19-2012, 03:48 PM

Often you can buy a car, only to have it changed for the better the next year. But sometimes in my experience (especially with increasing nanny-state regulations on vehicles) they can be made worse. Ask Mini drivers how they felt about going from the 06 to the 07 Mini Cooper S.

Honestly? If more understeer isn't dialed in in the next couple of years on the FR-S at least, I'll be very surprised.

dabocx · 06-19-2012, 03:49 PM

Theres going to be changes every year regardless just like the gtr.

You will wait for the 2014 then they show off the 2015 changes then the 2016 refresh...

You will never win

mattles · 06-19-2012, 03:50 PM

I knew going into this that I was essentially a beta tester for Toyobaru. My entire life is devoting to beta testing this and that, so it doesnt really surprise or bother me.

bakerr6 · 06-19-2012, 03:52 PM

I don't see it as being a big deal. If it's anything like any other car I've bought that ahs had the same happen to it, I usually end up upgrading pieces to the motor in the first place, so I do not see this being a problem

HunterGreene · 06-19-2012, 03:52 PM

I heard that in 2017, the toyobaru will get a dual sequential supercharger/turbocharger upgrade that will get 50 mpg. Also, holographic HIDs that you can play movies on your garage door with.

06-19-2012, 03:20 PM	#1
empower-auto Kouki-Monster Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Saskatoon, SK Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 11 Thanked 562 Times in 261 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2014 Changes Already? http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1741 How do you guys feel about this? Only on the market for a short while and already some major changes planned. I feel a little uneasy about this. Is this a cop-out on potential issues with current FR-S/BRZ models? Does this practice really give us early-adopters confidence in our purchase and the brand? Imagine you walk off the lot with your new car and the first thing you hear is about how it's being improved in the next year. __________________ Rich Anderson EMPOWER AUTO

06-19-2012, 03:24 PM	#2
ahausheer Re-member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Toyota camry Location: S. Cali Posts: 1,001 Thanks: 98 Thanked 292 Times in 152 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Dont have mine yet but I would be mad if I did. I may be forced financially to wait a year or so. But major changes indicates unresolved issues. __________________ Nothing decays like progress, and nothing preserves like neglect.

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mattles Proud of FR Layout Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S 6MT Location: Puget Sound, WA Posts: 984 Thanks: 101 Thanked 381 Times in 228 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I knew going into this that I was essentially a beta tester for Toyobaru. My entire life is devoting to beta testing this and that, so it doesnt really surprise or bother me. __________________ --Matt // Flickr \\ Instagram

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5hairpins Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 2013 MT Asphalt FR-S Location: Brownwood TX Posts: 567 Thanks: 84 Thanked 254 Times in 116 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I expected as much, did not affect my purchase decision. I am waiting for TRD to release a supercharger as that would be something I am interested in.

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K2 First 8600 Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Gen2 GR86 Location: Windy City Posts: 224 Thanks: 5 Thanked 117 Times in 72 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You can play the waiting game forever. Next year's model will always have mechanical, features, and/or styling improvements. Or you can just jump in and enjoy it now. These proposed changes may improve a few numbers on paper but won't significantly affect the already through the roof "fun" quotient.

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Opposed Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Location: Bloomington, MN Posts: 1,156 Thanks: 499 Thanked 447 Times in 294 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	How else are cars suppose to evolve? I knew this would happen before I bought mine and didn't stop me. That's why im leasing mine. I will enjoy it for a few years, and if the next one is better, I will switch. Until then, this article only showed one thing they were changing. And it looks like the intake setup could be the cause of the torque dip possibly. So a few hundred dollars in some quality aftermarket parts and a tune should fix this as well as bring more power than this new "FA201" anyways...You never know what car companys are going to do. Would I be pissed if I bought a 2009 Mazdapeed 3 just to find out shortly after they redesigned it? Hell no, cause the new one is ugly!!! Sometimes when a car is done just right, its hard to improve too much.

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blu_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ LTD Location: Portland, OR Posts: 889 Thanks: 637 Thanked 170 Times in 106 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I really don't get how this is at all unusual. What do you think the R&D team does after they finish the current model year designs?

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TuxedoCartman Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: '13 86 Location: Exiled to Las Vegas Posts: 646 Thanks: 305 Thanked 579 Times in 220 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Often you can buy a car, only to have it changed for the better the next year. But sometimes in my experience (especially with increasing nanny-state regulations on vehicles) they can be made worse. Ask Mini drivers how they felt about going from the 06 to the 07 Mini Cooper S. Honestly? If more understeer isn't dialed in in the next couple of years on the FR-S at least, I'll be very surprised.

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dabocx Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: United States Posts: 1,267 Thanks: 564 Thanked 261 Times in 191 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Theres going to be changes every year regardless just like the gtr. You will wait for the 2014 then they show off the 2015 changes then the 2016 refresh... You will never win

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bakerr6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2013 raven black fr-s Location: cincinnati, oh Posts: 1,447 Thanks: 503 Thanked 443 Times in 305 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't see it as being a big deal. If it's anything like any other car I've bought that ahs had the same happen to it, I usually end up upgrading pieces to the motor in the first place, so I do not see this being a problem

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