follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Delicious Tuning
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Mechanical Maintenance (Oil, Fluids, Break-In, Servicing)

Mechanical Maintenance (Oil, Fluids, Break-In, Servicing) Everything related to the mechanical maintenance of the FR-S and BRZ


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-19-2017, 03:39 AM   #15
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 18,266
Thanks: 12,550
Thanked 16,374 Times in 8,943 Posts
Mentioned: 450 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoskaze View Post
if you use 0W-20 make sure you get good cooling.

Japanese manual recommend you use 30weight oil for all application and 5w-40 for heavy track use & 0w-20 is for fuel economy.


https://www.subaru.jp/afterservice/tnst/pdf_brz/1/6.pdf
The poster ain't driving his car in Japan ........ so whats the Japanese manual have to do with the situation ..... ??

Besides, the poster is from California ...... enough said about that ...!!

The Japanese cars are right hand drive and his is a left hand drive car ....

@chaoskaze ...... you usually have your head screwed on straight but, ...... I'll have to agree with @Tcoat and @Ultramaroon on this one ....... that you slipped a cog on this post .......




humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to humfrz For This Useful Post:
chaoskaze (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 04:05 AM   #16
chaoskaze
The Fail Boat
 
chaoskaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Drives: CWP S.B.
Location: LasVegas
Posts: 2,795
Thanks: 4,227
Thanked 1,150 Times in 780 Posts
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz View Post
The poster ain't driving his car in Japan ........ so whats the Japanese manual have to do with the situation ..... ??

Besides, the poster is from California ...... enough said about that ...!!

The Japanese cars are right hand drive and his is a left hand drive car ....

@chaoskaze ...... you usually have your head screwed on straight but, ...... I'll have to agree with @Tcoat and @Ultramaroon on this one ....... that you slipped a cog on this post .......




humfrz
Most of the Japan is cooler then the states south of oregon thou, if they think it's hot enough to use 5w-30 everyday, i think it's good enough for me to follow.


Plus american auto industry policy/regulation is all about lawsuit/profit. I'm sure subaru of america doesn't feel like the need to test of other kind oil like how they do it in japan.


*1 + You, tcoat & ultra all live in the snow belt. :X... I would stay with 0w-20 there.
*2 I used 0w-20 for 50000 mile. But i know there are times my engine are obviously making slightly different noise with that 0w-20 after staying high rpm for like 20+ minutes in cali.
*3 I love you guys no homo.

Last edited by chaoskaze; 08-19-2017 at 04:18 AM.
chaoskaze is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to chaoskaze For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 11:57 AM   #17
Zentec
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Drives: 2017 Toyota 86
Location: Las Vegas Nv
Posts: 201
Thanks: 192
Thanked 71 Times in 58 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks Chaoskaze I was posting from my phone so I could not post the pick of the OM in Japan. I used the same reference in my other threads. As they can see now these engines were designed for 30 weight. It's the fuel economy you get with the 20 weight.
Zentec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 12:16 PM   #18
Zentec
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Drives: 2017 Toyota 86
Location: Las Vegas Nv
Posts: 201
Thanks: 192
Thanked 71 Times in 58 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz View Post
The poster ain't driving his car in Japan ........ so whats the Japanese manual have to do with the situation ..... ??

Besides, the poster is from California ...... enough said about that ...!!

The Japanese cars are right hand drive and his is a left hand drive car ....

@chaoskaze ...... you usually have your head screwed on straight but, ...... I'll have to agree with @Tcoat and @Ultramaroon on this one ....... that you slipped a cog on this post .......




humfrz
Right hand drive has nothing to do with anything. The Japanese OM has everything to do with it because these cars are Japanese engeneered cars. If you bothered to read the post link I quoted all the way. You would understand that the only reason they use 0w20 in the North,South American and CA is that the dealer/manufacture gets a price cut/car and incentive back for each car that is "fuel efficient". That was from the Subaru OM. If you actually know anything about oil even if you live in a snow belt ect a 0w30 or even a 5w30 is better for protection and cold weather start. Other than that the different brands of oil have different additives ect like different brands of gas. What is important is the winter and the weight like 91 octane is the minamum and recommend is 93. The brand is up to you after octane gas is all the same but with different additives ect for different brands.
Zentec is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Zentec For This Useful Post:
Tokay444 (08-23-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 12:48 PM   #19
Tcoat
He who smelt it...
 
Tcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 14 FRS Hot Lava
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 49,700
Thanks: 44,481
Thanked 68,119 Times in 30,912 Posts
Mentioned: 1838 Post(s)
Tagged: 49 Thread(s)
How did I get dragged into this? Don't have access to the manual right now but the Canadian version does say to use heavier oil for harder use.

Not sure about the whole argument that they use the lighter oil because they get paid for reduced fuel consumption. The reduced fuel consumption requirements are pretty much world wide not just the US. They are not optional if you want to sell your cars and nobody is getting paid for them.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
Tcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 01:06 PM   #20
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 18,266
Thanks: 12,550
Thanked 16,374 Times in 8,943 Posts
Mentioned: 450 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by chaoskaze View Post
Most of the Japan is cooler then the states south of oregon thou, if they think it's hot enough to use 5w-30 everyday, i think it's good enough for me to follow.


Plus american auto industry policy/regulation is all about lawsuit/profit. I'm sure subaru of america doesn't feel like the need to test of other kind oil like how they do it in japan.


*1 + You, tcoat & ultra all live in the snow belt. :X... I would stay with 0w-20 there.
*2 I used 0w-20 for 50000 mile. But i know there are times my engine are obviously making slightly different noise with that 0w-20 after staying high rpm for like 20+ minutes in cali.
*3 I love you guys no homo.


Gotcha, huh! ......

I was jest ah messen wich ya.


@Zentec FYI


My post was made late at night, after a week of day caring for three granddaughters, listening to "The Wiggles" and "SpongeBob" and changing poopie diapers, therefore my mind decided to post something immature .......

@Tcoat and @Ultramaroon had nothing to do with it ...... they were still up and posting ...... so, drug them into it as part of my "funny".

I'm OK, now, I found ma meds .....


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to humfrz For This Useful Post:
chaoskaze (08-25-2017), Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 01:10 PM   #21
Zentec
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Drives: 2017 Toyota 86
Location: Las Vegas Nv
Posts: 201
Thanks: 192
Thanked 71 Times in 58 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat View Post
How did I get dragged into this? Don't have access to the manual right now but the Canadian version does say to use heavier oil for harder use.

Not sure about the whole argument that they use the lighter oil because they get paid for reduced fuel consumption. The reduced fuel consumption requirements are pretty much world wide not just the US. They are not optional if you want to sell your cars and nobody is getting paid for them.
The US and CA OM say the same thing in regards to if under load use a heavier oil but what they don't show is the weight. Each car a manufacture sells in US and CA that is a part of there line they have to pay x dollars for that car that is not in a certain range of mpg. Now if you release a model that is more fuel efficacy that the Previous year you will get a credit per vehicle.

Almost all cars and trucks by Toyota all have the same section in the OM and use 0w20 in them includeing the tundra and Tacoma. That is rediculas as if you use it for towing/ hauling you better have more than a 20 weight in there.

It says right in the OM 0w20 for cold start and fuel economy. Notice in the pic of the Japan OM it says only 0w20 for eco and sudjest 5w30 up to 40 weight for race/track applications.
Zentec is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 01:19 PM   #22
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 18,266
Thanks: 12,550
Thanked 16,374 Times in 8,943 Posts
Mentioned: 450 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zentec View Post
Right hand drive has nothing to do with anything....... .
DANG! ...... Zentec ....... I was "trying" to make a "funny". I reckon I'm not too good at it .....

mrs humfrz says that since I'm usually serious, when I try to make a funny ..... people think I'm still being serious ......

(I thought the reference to right/left hand drive would have given it away .... - guess not)

humfrz - will make no more funnies no more .....
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2017, 02:44 PM   #23
Ultramaroon
bromatic train injury
 
Ultramaroon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: a 13 e8h frs
Location: vantucky, wa
Posts: 19,949
Thanks: 29,671
Thanked 19,371 Times in 10,625 Posts
Mentioned: 742 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
My take on the manufacturer's recommendation going from 0w20<->5w40 is that there's nothing exotic about the engine. Ok, it's a little exotic but not like an F1 machine or anything.

I think engine longevity has as much to do with manufacturing tolerances as it does with care and maintenance. We have some local guys who regularly beat the living shit out of their cars with no oil cooler and they're fine. Keeps me grounded while I tinker away with my comically-oversized adjustable setup.

I'm with @chaoskaze when it comes to hearing/feeling the difference as temp changes, oil ages, or the level changes. Doesn't matter what engine. Drive a machine long enough and we just get to know it.

I daily mine but, when I go carving, my tach stays above 5K. It's not a question of NA-vs-FI that drives the requirement for an oil cooler, it's how the engine is operated. High RPM cooks oil.

OP, just use decent oil and change it more often if you beat on it. If you really want to get to know how your driving affects it, install a pressure gauge. You'll see pressure drop dramatically when it gets hot. You'll also notice how tight this engine is. Even with 0w20, my oil pressure is about 120psi on cold start. That's an awful lot of pressure on the front galleys which are literally made of 2 plates sandwiched together with a row of M6 screws.

I've been wandering all over the place so I'll stop here. My main point is that brand doesn't mean shit. Just change it often enough and don't let it run dry.
__________________
Ultramaroon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Ultramaroon For This Useful Post:
chaoskaze (08-25-2017), Clipdat (08-20-2017), humfrz (08-19-2017), Lust (08-19-2017), new2subaru (08-26-2018), strat61caster (08-25-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 03:13 PM   #24
Lust
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ
Location: California Bay Area
Posts: 214
Thanks: 121
Thanked 104 Times in 55 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I think this got a little of topic with a little bit of trolling. Either way I had already determined a while ago that I'd just use up the cases of Motul I have and get an oil cooler. I don't think there's a need for further "suggestions."
Lust is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Lust For This Useful Post:
humfrz (08-19-2017), Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 03:36 PM   #25
Ultramaroon
bromatic train injury
 
Ultramaroon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: a 13 e8h frs
Location: vantucky, wa
Posts: 19,949
Thanks: 29,671
Thanked 19,371 Times in 10,625 Posts
Mentioned: 742 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lust View Post
I think this got a little of topic with a little bit of trolling. Either way I had already determined a while ago that I'd just use up the cases of Motul I have and get an oil cooler. I don't think there's a need for further "suggestions."
Disagree. Here's another. Be happy your thread was interesting enough for someone to resurrect it.
__________________
Ultramaroon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Ultramaroon For This Useful Post:
Lust (08-19-2017), strat61caster (08-25-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 03:44 PM   #26
Lust
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Drives: 2017 Subaru BRZ
Location: California Bay Area
Posts: 214
Thanks: 121
Thanked 104 Times in 55 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultramaroon View Post
Disagree. Here's another. Be happy your thread was interesting enough for someone to resurrect it.
Your post was helpful actually though. Thank you.
Lust is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Lust For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 03:53 PM   #27
Zentec
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2017
Drives: 2017 Toyota 86
Location: Las Vegas Nv
Posts: 201
Thanks: 192
Thanked 71 Times in 58 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultramaroon View Post
My take on the manufacturer's recommendation going from 0w20<->5w40 is that there's nothing exotic about the engine. Ok, it's a little exotic but not like an F1 machine or anything.

This is contradictory as they designed the engine for this range of oil. This also segways in to the that it is a high rev high compression. No it's not a f1 as 18k rev and engine design is totally different. They also change there oil after every race. I know track people that change oil after each session.

I think engine longevity has as much to do with manufacturing tolerances as it does with care and maintenance. I agree 100% for above reason.

We have some local guys who regularly beat the living shit out of their cars with no oil cooler and they're fine. But for how long??? Climate and driving style plays 100% of this part.

Keeps me grounded while I tinker away with my comically-oversized adjustable setup.

I'm with @chaoskaze when it comes to hearing/feeling the difference as temp changes, oil ages, or the level changes. Doesn't matter what engine. Drive a machine long enough and we just get to know it.

I daily mine but, when I go carving, my tach stays above 5K. It's not a question of NA-vs-FI that drives the requirement for an oil cooler, it's how the engine is operated. High RPM cooks oil. correct. The oil cooler demand is that fact that high rpm and high Engine oil temp create load and once at operating tempature the 20 weight oil will thin out even more creating less protection and pressure and can increase engine damage. The increase in weight of an oil creates better protection under load. The point of an oil cooler is to cool it enough for the oil to maintain the protection and pressure. Depending on the oil cooler it will cool it around 9-10 degrees F.



OP, just use decent oil and change it more often if you beat on it. If you have 30 weight +/- the oil cooler even if you "beat" on it you will be fine to change your oil at the recommended in the OM as long as your not losing oil somewhere.

If you really want to get to know how your driving affects it, install a pressure gauge. You'll see pressure drop dramatically when it gets hot. You'll also notice how tight this engine is. Even with 0w20, my oil pressure is about 120psi on cold start.
It will be higher if you are below 0F temps.

That's an awful lot of pressure on the front galleys which are literally made of 2 plates sandwiched together with a row of M6 screws.

I've been wandering all over the place so I'll stop here. My main point is that brand doesn't mean shit.

It dose mean something see my comment on additives ect. The winter and weight make the most diffterance as long as you have the approved API grade full synthetic your fine.

Just change it often enough and don't let it run dry.


I would add and use the proper weight for diving style and climate conditions. Interval for changes also depends on driving style and amount.
Dive happy
Zentec is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Zentec For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
Old 08-19-2017, 04:21 PM   #28
humfrz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT
Location: Puyallup, WA
Posts: 18,266
Thanks: 12,550
Thanked 16,374 Times in 8,943 Posts
Mentioned: 450 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lust View Post
I think this got a little of topic with a little bit of trolling. Either way I had already determined a while ago that I'd just use up the cases of Motul I have and get an oil cooler. I don't think there's a need for further "suggestions."
Sorry about that ....... ....me.


humfrz
humfrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to humfrz For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (08-19-2017)
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wtb eneos sustina 0w 20 & motul gear oil 86socal Want-To-Buy Requests 0 10-09-2016 03:00 AM
Eneos Sustina or Motul Oil 8100 eco-lite? 0W-20 Zero90 Mechanical Maintenance (Oil, Fluids, Break-In, Servicing) 51 06-05-2016 09:56 PM
motul 300v 86Tony Mechanical Maintenance (Oil, Fluids, Break-In, Servicing) 2 06-04-2015 11:04 AM
ENEOS SUSTINA 0W20 MOTUL GEAR 300 DAN_BRZ Canada Classifieds 4 05-12-2014 07:03 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.