86/BRZ vs MX-5/124 Spider by Keiichi Tsuchiya - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

akyp · 02-28-2017, 10:50 AM

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Apologies in advance if this has been posted.

It would be nice if someone can translate what he said, at least his final verdict on the cars.

8RZ · 02-28-2017, 11:17 AM

He said, "Subaru master race."

funwheeldrive · 02-28-2017, 03:11 PM

I got so sad when I realized there were no subtitles.

strat61caster · 02-28-2017, 03:22 PM

youtube auto translate ftw

akyp · 02-28-2017, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

youtube auto translate ftw

Yep tried that and turned it off after 5 seconds.

Spec C Wannabe · 02-28-2017, 11:12 PM

From his verbal and physical expressions, his excitement seemed to elevate as the test progressed from MX-5==>Fiat124==>BRZ. So I guess he liked the BRZ more than the first two.

From BRZ==>86, I can't guess much as his expressions shown about equal level of excitement between the two. Just mumbling about the differences in driving characteristics between them, which shouldn't be much to begin with since it is almost the same car, engineering wise.

At the end, he gave Fiat124 a win over MX-5. I don't care much to guess but I think he liked to torque-rich turbo 124 better than puny 1.5 litre N/A MX-5.

He gave it a tie between 86 and BRZ. My funny guess is that, at the verdict, he was saying something like "It is very hard to pick between the BRZ and the 86, but you wouldn't be disappointed in choosing either one of them..." something in that sense

These are all my guesses from his gestures and expressions though.

Anyone with Japanese proficiency can confirm??

airjonny · 03-01-2017, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by akyp

Yep tried that and turned it off after 5 seconds.

That made the video 10 times better. It was like the folks over at bad lip reading did the translations.

cyde01 · 03-01-2017, 08:30 PM

19:30 is a lot to translate!

cyde01 · 03-03-2017, 01:11 AM

Finally watched it. Comparisons were made between the siblings, but the unrelated cars weren't compared to each other. The gist of it: tsuchiya enjoyed the fiat more than the miata saying the added torque made it a better way to experience the true merits of the fr layout. He found the miata's 1.5 lacking and would have gave it a perfect score if mazda put a 2 liter in it. The brz/86 was a tie, due to them being the same car, just with different suspension tuning. He felt that the suspension on both were highly improved over the original '13 model who's suspension he now reveals felt cheap, with the new brz having a more supple, grown up luxurious suspension feel and the new 86 having a more sporty but also supple feel. The 86 had less roll than the brz.

Williampreza · 03-03-2017, 02:53 PM

*cough* BRZ was fastest *cough*

MarkR171 · 03-03-2017, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Williampreza

*cough* BRZ was fastest *cough*

This is the 1.5L miata not sold in the US. The US Miata has a 2.0L.

I've autocrossed my FRS in C-Street prep back to back with a friend's ND Miata in similar C-Street prep. The Miata clearly had more power down low in the revs and I went faster in the Miata... even my first ever run in the Miata was more than half a second faster than my best time in the FRS after 8 runs.

nikitopo · 03-04-2017, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkR171

This is the 1.5L miata not sold in the US. The US Miata has a 2.0L.

I've autocrossed my FRS in C-Street prep back to back with a friend's ND Miata in similar C-Street prep. The Miata clearly had more power down low in the revs and I went faster in the Miata... even my first ever run in the Miata was more than half a second faster than my best time in the FRS after 8 runs.

I don't think the 2.0L Miata has more power. The engine has same torque and the maximum rpms are 1K less. It is faster because it is 440 pounds lighter. It makes sense because it is a smaller car. This weight difference helps a lot in low to mid range speeds.

darthpnoy1984 · 03-04-2017, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo

I don't think the 2.0L Miata has more power. The engine has same torque and the maximum rpms are 1K less. It is faster because it is 440 pounds lighter. It makes sense because it is a smaller car. This weight difference helps a lot in low to mid range speeds.

Gearing of the transmission of the Miata is more towards low ends as well.

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nikitopo · 03-04-2017, 06:20 AM

You need to multiply the gear ratio with the final drive ratio. These are the ratios I found here: http://www.thecarconnection.com/car-...55962,40047913

If you do the multiplications, you will see in columns E & F that the BRZ has shorter gears (bigger is better):

Overall, the MX-5 has an unusual long final drive ratio. I am sure they did it for low consumption on the highway.

02-28-2017, 10:50 AM	#1
akyp Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2012 86 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 303 Thanks: 559 Thanked 114 Times in 65 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	86/BRZ vs MX-5/124 Spider by Keiichi Tsuchiya [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bUzzpzmWJU"]ã€CARãƒˆãƒƒãƒ—TVã€‘åœŸå±‹åœå¸‚ãŒæœ€æ–°å¾Œè¼ªé§† å‹•ã‚µãƒ¼ã‚ãƒƒãƒˆTEST - YouTube[/ame] Apologies in advance if this has been posted. It would be nice if someone can translate what he said, at least his final verdict on the cars.

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funwheeldrive Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: BANNED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH Location: MODS ARE ON A POWER TRIP Posts: 3,447 Thanks: 7,830 Thanked 3,022 Times in 1,409 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I got so sad when I realized there were no subtitles.

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Spec C Wannabe Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Drives: 2017 WRB M/T BRZ Location: BKK, Thailand Posts: 114 Thanks: 77 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	From his verbal and physical expressions, his excitement seemed to elevate as the test progressed from MX-5==>Fiat124==>BRZ. So I guess he liked the BRZ more than the first two. From BRZ==>86, I can't guess much as his expressions shown about equal level of excitement between the two. Just mumbling about the differences in driving characteristics between them, which shouldn't be much to begin with since it is almost the same car, engineering wise. At the end, he gave Fiat124 a win over MX-5. I don't care much to guess but I think he liked to torque-rich turbo 124 better than puny 1.5 litre N/A MX-5. He gave it a tie between 86 and BRZ. My funny guess is that, at the verdict, he was saying something like "It is very hard to pick between the BRZ and the 86, but you wouldn't be disappointed in choosing either one of them..." something in that sense These are all my guesses from his gestures and expressions though. Anyone with Japanese proficiency can confirm??

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03-03-2017, 01:11 AM	#9
cyde01 ft86club resident b-boy Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Yamaha R3, moonslate 2018 GT Black Location: LA Area So Cal Posts: 1,214 Thanks: 142 Thanked 208 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Finally watched it. Comparisons were made between the siblings, but the unrelated cars weren't compared to each other. The gist of it: tsuchiya enjoyed the fiat more than the miata saying the added torque made it a better way to experience the true merits of the fr layout. He found the miata's 1.5 lacking and would have gave it a perfect score if mazda put a 2 liter in it. The brz/86 was a tie, due to them being the same car, just with different suspension tuning. He felt that the suspension on both were highly improved over the original '13 model who's suspension he now reveals felt cheap, with the new brz having a more supple, grown up luxurious suspension feel and the new 86 having a more sporty but also supple feel. The 86 had less roll than the brz.

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nikitopo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: '15 BRZ RA Location: Greece Posts: 3,787 Thanks: 2,416 Thanked 1,944 Times in 1,261 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You need to multiply the gear ratio with the final drive ratio. These are the ratios I found here: http://www.thecarconnection.com/car-...55962,40047913 If you do the multiplications, you will see in columns E & F that the BRZ has shorter gears (bigger is better): Overall, the MX-5 has an unusual long final drive ratio. I am sure they did it for low consumption on the highway.

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