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Old 11-25-2019, 07:54 PM   #85
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Curious what the CFD model of that thing looks like.

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And if that doesn't work out he could always blast them to his Mars Colony as gifts to resident Borgs.
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he has some very valid points about the stated price/features.

have you ever noticed that companies almost always promise new tech to be 2 years out?

i don't like how everyone is taking all this stuff as written in stone. it's a concept at best. typical gestation period for any vehicle to go through design, testing, and certification/crash testing is 5 years. tesla really hasn't bucked that trend with any of their other cars. i mean, they've dropped it a little by making first-buyers beta testers, it'll be interesting how that will affect them as they start to being their shift into the mainstream vehicle segments instead of the luxury first-adopter segments they began in.

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Don’t know if anyone’s mentioned it yet, but Tesla has amassed 146,000 orders (reservations) of the cybertruck since they announced it. Not too shabby for a DeLorean F-150 Tank looking thing
it's $100. i just bought $500 in tools last weekend. last week, i spent close to $120 on groceries. $100 is an insignificant amount of money to hold a place in line for anyone even remotely interested. i admit i seriously considered placing a pre-order in an attempt to try to be one of the first, and flip it for a profit.

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Those both make sense, I was thinking of it more in terms of my daily usage.

It will be interesting to see if they can do this and have it still be a rollup, vs lift, cover. I suppose you could design the panels in small strips required to roll up, but that will require some robust electrical connections.
this is starting to sound like the destined-to-fail 'solar roads' project...
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Old 11-25-2019, 11:20 PM   #88
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Same interesting points about comparisons with other trucks.

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https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-cybe...f-war-rematch/

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The Tesla Cybertruck will be going head-to-head against the Ford F-150 in a tug-of-war rematch. Following a challenge from Ford X VP Sundeep Madra, Musk has stated that the all-electric monster and the iconic veteran pickup will be going head-to-head once more, possibly as early next week.

During the Cybertruck’s unveiling, Tesla showcased a video of its pickup truck engaging in a tug-of-war battle against a Ford F-150. The all-electric truck did not break any sweat during the demonstration, easily pulling a screaming Ford behind it. The image it provided was notable, though the video itself seemed to have some issues.

For one, the F-150 used in the video appeared to be a 2WD XLT variant, which is equipped with either a lower-end V8 or Ford’s smaller 2.7L Ecoboost. This brought a lot of Tesla skeptics forward, many of whom argued that the test was unfavorable for the F-150 from the start.

Lightly responding to these points, Sundeep Madra, the VP for Ford X, the automaker’s venture incubator, asked Elon Musk if the CEO could send over a Cybertuck their way so that they can do an “apples to apples” test. Musk seemed game with the challenge, telling the Ford exec to “bring it on.”

Other notable personalities have since weighed in on the Tesla Cybertruck vs Ford F-150 tug-of-war battle. Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, for one, noted that if the Ford was really an RWD variant and it had no payload, the weight on its rear axle will be reduced and it will only offer mild traction for the Tesla to overcome. Musk has responded to this as well, stating that the torque in electric motors will still give it an edge against the Ford F-150.

“Electric motors also have insane torque. If we load both trucks to the max, electric still wins. Physics is the law, everything else is a recommendation,” Musk wrote, adding that the demonstration will be webcast, perhaps as early as next week.

A rematch between a top-tier Ford F-150 and the Tesla Cybertruck will definitely an exciting battle. If Ford does bring out its best F-150, the vehicle will be equipped with a top-of-the-line 3.5L Ecoboost engine that will provide a much bigger challenge to the Cybertruck compared to the seemingly XLT trim that it pulled in the demo. Couple this with the fact that Tesla’s working prototype for the Cybertruck is a mid-tier dual-motor AWD variant and Ford may have more than a fighting chance.

That being said, electric motors are known for their insane available power on demand. Even Tesla’s large city car, the Model X, is known to hold its own against a Hummer H2 in a tug-of-war battle. The Cybertruck, which is likely far heavier and tougher than the Model X, will likely be an even more formidable tug-of-war competitor.

Now if Ford brings out its F-150 electric prototype, the same vehicle that pulled over 1 million pounds in a demonstration, then the battle between the electric car maker and the longtime veteran automaker will get even more interesting.
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As many warlords have learned over the years, power is a function of grip...
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A production F-350 4x4 with the 6.7L turbo diesel has 475 hp/1,050 ft. lbs. torque that might get the job done in low range.
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tbh though, I find it more reminiscent of SNES mode 7 graphics than of anything from the 2000's...
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it's $100. i just bought $500 in tools last weekend. last week, i spent close to $120 on groceries. $100 is an insignificant amount of money to hold a place in line for anyone even remotely interested....
Yea, I agree on this, particularly since it is refundable. Heck, I spent $100 a couple of weeks ago on a C8 raffle ticket at a charity. If you can afford a $60,000 vehicle you won't think twice about a $100 refundable deposit if you are even remotely interested. What will be interesting is how many of those go all the way to delivered vehicle.

I've thought about dropping a deposit myself but honestly don't think I want an early example of anything Tesla.


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this is starting to sound like the destined-to-fail 'solar roads' project...
Yea, I think the Tesla engineers are once again scrambling to meet something Musk just decided would happen to hell with the mechanics. That's cool that he can do that and can accomplish it most of the time. I respect him for that, just wish he had a little more of Job's eye for design.
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A production F-350 4x4 with the 6.7L turbo diesel has 475 hp/1,050 ft. lbs. torque that might get the job done in low range.
Apparently Ford backed out of the challenge.
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Apparently Ford backed out of the challenge.

Musk should do it anyway and be fair with an F-350 like I described.

Cybertruck would probably still pull the Ford and he'd get massive social media attention.
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Musk should do it anyway and be fair with an F-350 like I described.

Cybertruck would probably still pull the Ford and he'd get massive social media attention.
What does a F350 crew cab, long bed, 4x4 with equal amenities cost?

I think it would because instant torque.
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What does a F350 crew cab, long bed, 4x4 with equal amenities cost?

I think it would because instant torque.
I just ran through the Ford configurator. F350 4x4 with the diesel and rectractable bed cover is $55,825 list. For about $400 more you could configure it to run on Propane or CNG. You might want to add the $280 Live-Drive power takeoff Provision.
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What does a F350 crew cab, long bed, 4x4 with equal amenities cost?

I think it would because instant torque.

I don't know if Cybertruck models differ, but the next to top line F-350 King Ranch like you described is about $60K. The top line can go over $80K.

What is the price break and content of Cybertruck models or are they monospec?
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