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^^Lacks power? I'm inclined to agree with you. Certainly, it lacks power that is easy to find. But I haven't got my hands on a car long enough . . . maybe keeping it at 6-7K rpm is the way to find some happiness in all this.
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I owned Miata and cant handle convertible road noise and my wife said "No more convertible" that s2k is not an option for me. I would take s2k with hardtop personally if i dont have my lovely wife. lol
when i test drove both FR-S/BRZ, i was very impressed on handling and it was like driving my old miata. i hope mine arrive in state very soon!! |
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I bought a 2004 S2000 instead of BRZ. I have test driven the FRS in a mini autocross test drive and have had my S2000 for a month now. Here's how I came to this conclusion:
Pros for the S2000: - Cost: You're paying twice as much for a brand new car with less performance. It's not that hard to find a well taken care of S2K right now. Although some immediate maintainence cost Involved with buying used. - Cost: GAS. S2000 will suck you dry. Toyobaru will be way better in gas comsumption. But keep in mind that you're paying a "new car premium" in the price difference. so this is not a valid reason to buy the Toyobaru over the S2000. - Faster, that 40 extra HP and 10ft/lb of torque is OBVIOUS. In my experience at the mini auto cross test drive event thingy, it felt like it took an eternity for the FRS to hit redline in first gear. S2000? not a problem. - Heritage: I don't have a brand bias. In fact, I didn't care for Hondas until searching for the S2000, but one thing that bothered me was the thought of "Honda has done the same thing 10 years ago... with more performance". So the fact that the FRS isn't able to match the power output feels disappointing to me. Of course, some might argue that the S2000 was priced significantly higher back when it was in production. BUT, this doesn't matter in the present as logically, one should only look at how much performance the same amount of money can buy. I also think that the Toyobaru isn't as much of a engineering marvel as it was hyped out to be. - 2 seater convertable: this one is very subjective. I sold my motorcycle for a car, so a convertable was the closest thing to it. I'd definitely prefer a coupe though if it were available. Being a 2 seater also doesn't matter to me. I hate doing favors and driving people around out of kindness. so now I have the perfect excuse not to. Pros for the Toyobaru: - comfort: coupe > convertible in road noises. more gadgetry such as GPS, dual zone climate control, heated seats, keyless entry... all of which I wish the S2K has. Also, you passenger won't bitch at you about having only ONE wind outlet, while you have 2 on the driver's side. - more cargo room: Ok, it's a little annoying in a 2 seater when your girl gets in and your jacket is in the way. You don't want to trouble her by asking her to hold on to it, so you have to physically get out and put it in the trunk... I should note that, I'm not trying to bash the Toyobaru in any way. It's great that these manufacturers are trying to bring the RWD sports car back from the grave. However, my main beef with it was that it didn't perform as I eagerly hoped it would. It didn't wow me on my mutiple test drives. I was looking for a light weight car that can go fast and handles like a go cart. The Toyobaru just didn't quite make it to justify buying brand new AKA paying twice as much for less performance. It just wasn't logical in every angle I looked at it to justify buying the Toyobaru vs the S2000.
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Yeah, the aero on the s2k was notably poor. The stock OEM felt "floaty" on the suspension once you got above 80 mph and had some significant air shooting under the car. It is telling that, when Honda had the chance to change the car with the CR, they concentrated on aero mods. Re the s2k's power: It's funny that we are having this discussion. That car was crucified every day of its existence for not having enough power. It languished in the market place and it got no love from American motorheads. But the truth of the matter was that that engine was plenty powerful for that car, and VTEC is a gorgeous, beautiful thing in any Honda. |
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With all this talk about aero... how in the world do you even feel that? And how do you differentiate that sensation from other variables in the car?
On another note, I am itching to get an FR-S! |
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I agreed with you on all points. I gave up my S2K for the FRS because of something that means a lot more to me...back seats for the kids. |
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From that experience, I knew straight off the bat the aero on the BRZ/FR-S was significantly better than the S. The car still produces lift, but definitely not in the same order of magnitude that the S2 does. |
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No offense, but good luck with those back seats. I mean, I hope your kids have no legs. That didn't come out right. I mean, there is no leg room, kids or no kids. There. That's better. |
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^ huh what? lol
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My kids have been enjoying the back seats of my FRS for the past 1700 miles in comfort, thank you and come again. |
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