SUBARU MAY LOSE BRZ?!

[2point0]

Plenty of cars get discontinued...then are resurrected a few years later so everyone goes crazy and has to buy one.

Like the Camaro, Thunderbird....Mustang...

[tahdizzle]

Originally Posted by sshole

Back in early 2013, Subaru announced they would axe the WRX.

The current, at the time, WRX was axed in early 2014, bringing on the age of the 4th generation WRX.

AKA Fuck this thread.

Technically the Impreza WRX was infact discontinued.

[Boxer486]

It only goes to prove my long belief that Subaru never wanted to make this car and Toyota dragged them kicking and screaming to do so.


The boxer engine is great but it's a shame Subaru can't dissect a Porsche or Cosworth engine and learn how to make a proper NA'd boxer. The relatively weak performance of aftermarket parts and tunes tells me the FA20 must have some shitty flowing heads. I can only imagine if it weren't for Toyota's D4S this thing would be rated at 180hp/130tq. Probably no better than a 20 year old Celica GTS.


I'd like Toyota and Subaru to continue but it seems one or both have too much pride to maintain a professional partnership which is odd for the Japanese. If not, the next Miata, Bimmeryota or Honda will be here soon enough.


Even if Subaru doesn't want the car, it has opened the flood gates for enthusiasts of non fat frozen yogurt lighter weight RWD. For everyone else, there's plenty of fat pig Breyers V8s to pick from already.

[Speed2th]

maybe it will just like NSX, one gen last like 9 years.

[gymratter]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68608

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68595

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Speed2th

maybe it will just like NSX, one gen last like 9 years.

1991 to 2005 is more than 9 years

[Boxer486]

Meanwhile...


http://www.carscoops.com/2014/06/mys...type-with.html

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by 2point0

Plenty of cars get discontinued...then are resurrected a few years later so everyone goes crazy and has to buy one.

Like the Camaro, Thunderbird....Mustang...

My last 2 coupes were discontinued.

I bought a '95 Tbird... discontinued in 1997.

Bought my current Acura CLS in 2002, discontinued in 2003.

Let's see what happens if I buy a BRZ :eek:

[gymratter]

but i could see the BRZ & FRS having anywhere from a 6-10 year life cycle.

[Fastbrew]

Be here now. Be present. Love the one you're with. Why worry about tomorrow when you have today AND an awesome car?

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

I can only imagine if it weren't for Toyota's D4S this thing would be rated at 180hp/130tq. Probably no better than a 20 year old Celica GTS.

If it wasn't for Toyota Yamaha Denso D-4S this boxer engine would only have about 120hp, probably no better than a 20 year old Civic Si.

I've noticed that Toyota's D-4S engines only have variable valve timing but no electronic lift control (86, IS350, LFA).

Originally Posted by Speed2th

maybe it will just like NSX, one gen last like 9 years.

I'm thinking maybe like 3rd gen Integra which ran for 7 years.

Originally Posted by gymratter

1991 to 2005 is more than 9 years

He meant NA1 and NA2. NA2 actually came out on the 10th year of the NSX. At that time in Japan, Honda had a factory refresh program for the JDM NA1 which would refurbish owners' cars for a price.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Boxer486

Meanwhile...


http://www.carscoops.com/2014/06/mys...type-with.html

It's just some tuner's car. Not likely to be anything official Toyota or Subaru. They already created a circuit version of the GT86 in Germany with even nicer components.

Originally Posted by krayzie

If it wasn't for Toyota Yamaha Denso D-4S this boxer engine would only have about 120hp, probably no better than a 20 year old Honda Civic Si.

I have found no evidence of Yamaha working on this engine. Have you?

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

It's just some tuner's car.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=39


http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/24/l...frs-spy-shots/




It's not just some tuner's car. It's wearing Toyota Manufacturer plates DAU 0684

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

I have found no evidence of Yamaha working on this engine. Have you?

I was just mentioning the D-4S technology (Direct Injection 4 Stroke Superior Version).

I've read the paper that described D-4S technology which was co-developed by Toyota, Yamaha, and Denso. I think it was the paper that described the development of the Lexus D-4S engine. There's a PDF somewhere on the web.