Innovate/Spritex/Bullet... What I found searching the web.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by jasper

I agree I don't like the fact that everyone that gets their hands on one has to be quiet about it. Hopefully they have something soon sounds like they are almost there it they are getting them out to different race shops.

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What is there not to like? It is called beta testing. Beta testers are under NDA. There is only so much info they can divulge (if they even choose to divulge anything).

NDA is there for a reason. A product in testing will have bugs/hiccups etc. It is not a final polished product so the NDA prevents any of these problems from getting leaked out and "speculated about", possibly ending up as being considered fact or set in stone problems.

This shouldn't be a foreign concept...

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Let me ask you this. If JV messed up their testing... uhh... 3-4 months ago? Then why haven't they just gotten another tuner? What about Tony? or Jeff? or Bob? It would be a hell of a lot cheaper to fly all three of those guys in at once, put them up in a Hilton and feed them filet mignon, than to lose 3-4 months of potential business in a rapidly budding market, especially with the hype that was built around this unit.

Who said they haven't been using another tuner?

And as far as your conspiracy theory about why it is taking so long... it has been mentioned many times that they:

A. Don't use their customers as beta testers. They select their own few to test.

B. They are stress testing the kit before release.

There really isn't any secret conspiracy going on. It is under testing and will be ready when it is ready.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Who said they haven't been using another tuner?

And as far as your conspiracy theory about why it is taking so long... it has been mentioned many times that they:

A. Don't use their customers as beta testers. They select their own few to test.

B. They are stress testing the kit before release.

There really isn't any secret conspiracy going on. It is under testing and will be ready when it is ready.

I wasn't being completely serious. I don't think there's a conspiracy. I was just saying that it's highly unlikely that JV, or any one tuner, is at fault

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

What is there not to like? It is called beta testing. Beta testers are under NDA. There is only so much info they can divulge (if they even choose to divulge anything).

NDA is there for a reason. A product in testing will have bugs/hiccups etc. It is not a final polished product so the NDA prevents any of these problems from getting leaked out and "speculated about", possibly ending up as being considered fact or set in stone problems.

This shouldn't be a foreign concept...

It's not that I do not understand why they are doing it and really it all depends on what the testers are allowed to say. If they can post general stuff like they like the sound of it and the ease of instulation or how it feels I'm fine with that. But not allowing anything out at all about it seems like they are hiding an issue. From what I'm seeing the testers are not told to be silent just to not run to a dyno and post all the numbers. That I understand because the guy from bullet at sema was saying the stage one kit is capable of 320hp and it apperars to be a stretch of the truth at this point.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by jasper

That I understand because the guy from bullet at sema was saying the stage one kit is capable of 320hp and it apperars to be a stretch of the truth at this point.

Maybe he misunderstood? We are not big users of the stage 1, 2,3 to 90000 terminology that seems to be rampant in the US.
I saw someone mentioned a stage 3 engine build without listing the parts, what does that even mean....

Anyway, the 210 will never make 320hp atw but the 335 is more than capable.

[ngabdala]

I can't speak about a twin screw as I have no experience, however, the "swoosh" on my Vortech turns heads. When I'm around 4500rpm+ driving (which I usually am all the time) the supercharger can be heard.

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Twin Screw SCs make a loud whining noise when under load that a lot of people like. Vortech uses helical-cut gears to keep noise down because they sell a lot of street applications. So it would be harder to tell the car is supercharged by ear alone. I think there's only a faint whine at really high RPMs.

[Floggin Tires]

Originally Posted by s2d4

We are not big users of the stage 1, 2,3 to 90000 terminology that seems to be rampant in the US.
I saw someone mentioned a stage 3 engine build without listing the parts, what does that even mean....

Could not agree more.

I'm cluttering this thread...

I understand your thoughts.
Here's the explanation for the Stage(s) concept below.

[Rant]
Stage means Shit.
Stage 1 means Shit.
Stage 2 means Shit.
Stage 24WhateverBillionPlus means...
You get the point.
The terminology...
...is for Shit.
[/Rant]

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by ngabdala

I can't speak about a twin screw as I have no experience, however, the "swoosh" on my Vortech turns heads. When I'm around 4500rpm+ driving (which I usually am all the time) the supercharger can be heard.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEXrF6S9VzE&feature=endscreen&NR=1"]Sprintex 86/frs/brz Supercharger Sneak Peak. - YouTube[/ame]

This is the noise that most find very addictive about a twin screw. It is not for everyone but a lot of old school guys love that whine they grew up hearing in supercharged cars.

[ngabdala]

Sounds addictive

Originally Posted by jasper

This is the noise that most find very addictive about a twin screw. It is not for everyone but a lot of old school guys love that whine they grew up hearing in supercharged cars.

[bpracer]

Originally Posted by Calum

I know the reasons I listed above are why our gear box at work uses double helical cut gears. But why race car transmissions use straight cut is beyond me. It could be that strength isn't much of an issue, but heat, space, and weight are are.

Edit: Before anyone starts comparing a race cars power output without knowing what we're dealing with at work, we're pushing close to 1.3 million ft/lbs of torque. Not really the same application.

The case in your transmission gets distorted due to the thrust loads caused by helical cut gears. The gear cluster will have a thrust bearing to take the load.

The attached picture is of a close ratio Ford TopLoader 4-speed cluster out of my racecar. You can see the radial stress cracks in the thrust surface of the cluster gear. It looks perfect in every other way, but it is now in my "offerings to the God's of speed" collection.

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

The sounds is addictive but i would relate it more with a huge displacement motor. Its just that mentality that roams around Japan,small motors= turbos , muscle, american = blowers. Yes it is a stereotype but a good one

[Jar]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

No need to get so defensive. Perhaps I misinterpreted your intent when you posted that ridiculous picture and smart ass "unicorn" comment.

I'd call $3500 pretty reasonable for a complete bolt-on SC kit with tune.

Here's a possibly less well-known video clip of the Bullet/Sprintex/Innovate SC:

Hahaha holy shit that sound!

Sorry, I'm a total neophyte when it comes to FI and I think that sounds absolutely fantastic.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by robispec

no sorry we will have laptime from Laguna Seca on monday though!

Robi.

Well that sucks. I'm sure many people were expecting some kind of dyno chart..lol

[SmsAlSuwaidi]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Well that sucks. I'm sure many people were expecting some kind of dyno chart..lol

we all have been for a pretty long time now :happy0180: