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07-30-2018, 01:09 PM | #3319 | |
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Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!
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That claim has no weight in facts though. There's no way BMW will put an iron block back in the Z4. I will eat my hat if the motor isn't made like this: 1: Aluminum or Magnesium alloy block with iron/steel sleeves, copper coated 2: Forged steel crank 3: Fracture-split single crystal aluminum alloy rods 3: Cast aluminum alloy pistons All BMW's turbo engines since the N54 have been like that, I see no reason to change it. The N54 holds 1000 HP on an unopened longblock, IF you can fuel it. |
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Yeah, we have been told be various internal sources to expect some type of "iron" block, most likely CGI from my research. Weight penalty should be minimal as CGI is a material that can be much lighter than grey iron with similar strength. The motor and head design are a BMW collaboration with the head being carefully engineered by Toyota to integrate their proprietary technologies and ensure reliability.
Again, this is from Toyotas sources but I haven't seen any hard evidence that proves it so take it as you will.
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CGI was used to keep the engine weight relatively light but still as strong as an iron block. I guess we'll find out soon. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk |
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[QUOTE=Guff;3115941 the head being carefully engineered by Toyota to integrate their proprietary technologies and ensure reliability.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, I wonder if that means we'd get dual port/direct injection again... |
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This is a curiosity, but I've got to ask. What's the point of reinventing the wheel?
ASSUMING all reports about the Supra's power rating are remotely accurate (roughly 335hp and 400 lb-ft torque) then why the hell would anyone bother giving the Supra anything bespoke? The BMW 3.0 liter six already makes 300-460 hp in various iterations. I fail to see the logic here, assuming the Supra has less than 400 hp.
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I get that isn't the case for everyone, there ain't anything wrong with that and I realize the % of enthusiasts is dwindling against the more casual consumers.. Again, if this Supra turns out to be a power monster then it would be a bit of a different story but Tada-san has been raving on and on about CoG & chassis stiffness not to mention this has been benchmarking the Cayman over and over..perplexing how smaller manufacturers like Porsche and Jaguar can offer sticks on their coupes yet it sounds like Toyota doesn't want to pay a little more money to BMW to include one. I think the best compromise for everyone is to make manuals an option which cost a couple extra grand instead of being cheaper than the auto variants. Think manual enthusiasts would be happy to pay to get what they want and the manufacturer can better recoup the MT development costs, win/win? |
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My guess is weight. They could have gone with a B58 but I guess it didn't cut it for the "tuner" aspect and reliablity to handle the power (even though I think the B58 has decent potential).
And an off the shelf +400hp BMW engine would have weight too much and ruined the handling aspect of the MKV specially if it was iron. The middle ground was a light weight CGI "B58". That's my opinion anyway. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk |
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A70 has said the new engine has been tested to hold 700hp.
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^I'm guessing that's 700 reliably?
Because the BMW N54 could reliably do that 10 years ago. Though I don't know much about the B58.
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An interesting question, I think is, who would not buy a new Supra if the only transmission option is manual (3 pedal)?
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