Racecomp Engineering Yellow Springs and Cusco Lower Control Arm Review - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

F1point4 · 10-08-2012, 12:16 AM

Got busy this past weekend with

+ RaceComp Engineering Yellow Springs
+ OEM Front Camber Bolts (Subaru Part 901000394)
+ Cusco Rear Lower Control Arms (Part 692 474 L)

Thanks to Andrew/Myles/Dan at @Racecomp Engineering for their professionalism and expertise. Felt like I was making the right choice after our conversations. Very good to work with.

Their starting recommendation to correct the additional negative camber in the rear suspension was the Whiteline Camber Bushings for the upper control arm. I make it a point to do as much as I can DIY so I can learn, however installation/adjustment of these were beyond my skills/tools at the moment. After careful consideration and caution from Myles I went with..

Cusco Lower Lateral Links/Lower Control arm. Much easier to install and adjust, albeit with a higher cost. Since the rear setup is near identical to a 2008+ WRX/STi, this is a proven part. Appreciate Jeremy/Yo @FT-86 SpeedFactory for the assistance/speed in acquiring these arms. As with most Cusco parts, the manual was all in Japanese. Cusco USA has kickass customer service. After a call to them, I had an email with the English instructions.

The OEM Front Camber Bolts are just like the stock bolt except the Camber bolt doesn't have a widened girth to fill the top slot on the strut. Therefore you get some play and can add negative camber slightly for more grip in the corners.

In the end this setup allows me to get some negative camber in the front, and keep from too much negative camber in the rear. The drop is mild so I don't need to run any aggressive settings just to avoid rubbing. Eliminates the wheel gap while maintaining functional handling. Good in my book.

I haven't had a chance to get an alignment yet, so I will refrain on giving detailed feedback on the handling until so. Unlike @AVOturboworld, I installed these in one go. What I will say is the resulting drop is absolutely perfect. Definitely what the car should have been set to from the factory. It is also cool to be able to see the arms when you bend down. Go blue. This is my first lowered car, and it definitely feels like you are hugging the ground while driving. Noticed that most truck's low beams look like high beams now. The install went well, so far no creaks/vibrations/pops so far. Success for the amateur enthusiast.

Here are some car porn and notes from the install

Messing with iOS6 Panorama mode. Thanks to my buddy Nick for letting me crash his garage and helping me with the install.

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-1 by VictorN07, on Flickr

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-2 by VictorN07, on Flickr

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-3 by VictorN07, on Flickr

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-4 by VictorN07, on Flickr

RCE Yellow Springs vs OEM Front. The RCE Yellows are much beefier than the OEM one. Definitely feels like a quality product.

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-5 by VictorN07, on Flickr

The Rear hats do not rotate freely like the fronts. We had to separate the metal thingy from the rubber piece that grips onto the top of the spring. The rubber has to be rotated to accomodate for the RCE Yellows. Otherwise the hat and the lower attachment point won't line up and can't be re installed in the car.

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-6 by VictorN07, on Flickr

This is the proper way to break loose and tighten the top nut on each strut.
Make sure the springs are compressed for safety.
Use a 6mm Hex Key and 17mm pass through socket on the front struts.
Use a 5mm Hex Key and 14mm pass through socket on the rear struts
I could not break the nuts loose by hand. Using an impact driver, I tapped lightly until I saw the socket turn slightly. Then finish with the hand tools.
Using solely an impact driver may spin the inner shaft. If the shaft spins enough, the seals in the shock will break making for a blown strut.

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-7 by VictorN07, on Flickr

The Cusco Lower Control Arm has a pillowball bushing and adjustable camber. The stock one (black) has no adjustment. The Cusco is also much beefier than the OEM one. I think it'll take a lot to bend this arm.

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-8 by VictorN07, on Flickr

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-9 by VictorN07, on Flickr

It's hard to see in this picture; the swaybar endlinks are weaksauce.

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-10 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Here is a picture of my car right when I bought it.

IMG_0301 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Oh my how have things changed

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-11 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Pre-Drop with the Weds

21020923-RallyArmorMudGaurd-01 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Post Drop

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-12 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Playing with the filters in Camera+

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-16 by VictorN07, on Flickr

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-17 by VictorN07, on Flickr

My Favorite Picture!

20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-18 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Update:
Get the alignment!
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...50&postcount=7

Camber differences visualized
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=10

Apex Chase · 10-08-2012, 09:26 AM

Looks sick! That is the same wheel and spring set up I am planning on, just a different color car.

FT-86 SpeedFactory · 10-08-2012, 10:03 AM

Looks great! Wheel tire combo is awesome.

Love to see someone building a car correctly. Great job!

-Jeremy

YoKeutla · 10-08-2012, 10:04 AM

So much win in this thread!

Car looks great, Victor! Very clean and classy, the way the car should be.

Keep up the good work

cobrabyte · 10-08-2012, 10:41 AM

Nice write-up, Victor... damn, and I was going to hold-off on the springs!

RavSpec · 10-08-2012, 02:01 PM

nice !!!!!! been waiting for these

send u pics up to WEDS USA !

F1point4 · 10-08-2012, 03:13 PM

Took my car in to get an alignment. I now understand the significance of getting one after doing major suspension work like installing springs/coilovers. Pre-alignment the car would feel very twitchy, floaty, and I could break traction even on my 245 star specs easily. Scary.

Andrew with @Racecomp Engineering said to take it easy because my toe could be off. Watching the screen while taking baseline measurements confirmed his suspicion. It was definitely out of spec.

Friend pointed me to this shop and I got aligned by a Hunter Hawkeye Elite. Not sure if that machine any good but it seemed legit. His computer didn't have the twins in it so he just picked a Avalon for the first go round, and a Scion iQ for the second. Overall I liked that he did it twice to be sure.

He did not like the design of the Cusco control arms. He had to drop the arm to make adjustments since the turnbuckle was in the subframe and a wrench wouldn't fit in there. If the adjustments were more out in the open he would have been golden. Dialing in the adjustment in the rear was difficult overall, when he adjusted camber the the toe would fall out and vice versa. I'll take his word for it because his experience trumps mine.

Overall he got it to a good setting as indicated in the printout below. He said when I sit in the car it'll be closer to the targets RCE recommends. I noticed an immediate improvement in stability and road going manners. The twitchiness/grip issues are gone. Need to take it out to find the upper limits

I'll post more when I can ring her out.

20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment by VictorN07, on Flickr

For reference here are the factory alignment specs for the 86 (Courtesy of the FR-S Service Manual from this forum)
I believe it's missing thrust angle and SAI.

20121005-86-Alignment-1 by VictorN07, on Flickr

In summary, get the alignment!

Racecomp Engineering · 10-08-2012, 07:01 PM

Nice thorough writeup! Real happy you're digging the springs. Yes the alignment can have a huge effect on twitchiness and stability. Glad you emailed me since its a big deal. Now go have fun.

- Andrew

JoeBoxer · 10-08-2012, 07:26 PM

Damn i didn't think of using another vehicle to get aligned with, our machine at work doesn't have them either we have been trying to get the specs from Hunter but they are saying december.

F1point4 · 10-08-2012, 07:31 PM

I will admit helping the poke was some motivation to get the springs. At the time I didn't know that negative camber would help front grip so bonus points for that. Always great to look good while being functional.

The 17x9 ET35 wheels do poke a bit up front with the stock camber settings (stock is 0 degrees). The rears are already good without the extra help. Overall the negative camber and drop helps the look, but it still pokes. I could add more negative camber at the expense of uneven inner tire wear. I'm conservative so I'll leave it alone. This fits the bill exactly.

Whole car

20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-1 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Here is a photo with 0 camber in front

20120922-TC105N_Z1StarSpec-30 by VictorN07, on Flickr

From the same angle you can see it sticks out much less.

20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-2 by VictorN07, on Flickr

20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-3 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Rears look super good

20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-4 by VictorN07, on Flickr

Coastermikey · 10-08-2012, 11:44 PM

i love my rce yellows, ive been riding on them for almost a month now with no alignment yet lol looks like ill be needing one asap.

FT-86 SpeedFactory · 10-08-2012, 11:52 PM

That looks great! Good job on picking the right parts.

JoeBoxer · 10-09-2012, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coastermikey

i love my rce yellows, ive been riding on them for almost a month now with no alignment yet lol looks like ill be needing one asap.

Glad i'm not the only one riding around with no alignment, if it had been in our machine it would have been done same day i guess i will try tomorrow using a 350z its pretty close in size should work ok.

Phaedrus29 · 10-09-2012, 12:45 AM

I've also been driving around on yellows without an alignment for about 1.5 weeks. The shop I want to go to for my camber bushings install and alignment can't get me in for another 1.5 weeks.

You can definitely see that the rears have added negative camber. I put my stock wheels/tires back on so I wouldn't mess up my new ones. So far really enjoying the yellows...no real issues yet and the drop looks great. I can't wait to see how the drop looks on my Volks!

One minor thing is that, for some reason, my left front wheel gap is 1/16"-1/8" taller than my other ones. I tried checking that strut out but didn't see anything wrong. Oh well, it's pretty minimal.

10-08-2012, 12:16 AM	#1
F1point4 Photo Specialist Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 DGM 6MT Location: Texas Posts: 1,152 Thanks: 587 Thanked 1,802 Times in 420 Posts Mentioned: 94 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Racecomp Engineering Yellow Springs and Cusco Lower Control Arm Review Got busy this past weekend with + RaceComp Engineering Yellow Springs + OEM Front Camber Bolts (Subaru Part 901000394) + Cusco Rear Lower Control Arms (Part 692 474 L) Thanks to Andrew/Myles/Dan at @Racecomp Engineering for their professionalism and expertise. Felt like I was making the right choice after our conversations. Very good to work with. Their starting recommendation to correct the additional negative camber in the rear suspension was the Whiteline Camber Bushings for the upper control arm. I make it a point to do as much as I can DIY so I can learn, however installation/adjustment of these were beyond my skills/tools at the moment. After careful consideration and caution from Myles I went with.. Cusco Lower Lateral Links/Lower Control arm. Much easier to install and adjust, albeit with a higher cost. Since the rear setup is near identical to a 2008+ WRX/STi, this is a proven part. Appreciate Jeremy/Yo @FT-86 SpeedFactory for the assistance/speed in acquiring these arms. As with most Cusco parts, the manual was all in Japanese. Cusco USA has kickass customer service. After a call to them, I had an email with the English instructions. The OEM Front Camber Bolts are just like the stock bolt except the Camber bolt doesn't have a widened girth to fill the top slot on the strut. Therefore you get some play and can add negative camber slightly for more grip in the corners. In the end this setup allows me to get some negative camber in the front, and keep from too much negative camber in the rear. The drop is mild so I don't need to run any aggressive settings just to avoid rubbing. Eliminates the wheel gap while maintaining functional handling. Good in my book. I haven't had a chance to get an alignment yet, so I will refrain on giving detailed feedback on the handling until so. Unlike @AVOturboworld, I installed these in one go. What I will say is the resulting drop is absolutely perfect. Definitely what the car should have been set to from the factory. It is also cool to be able to see the arms when you bend down. Go blue. This is my first lowered car, and it definitely feels like you are hugging the ground while driving. Noticed that most truck's low beams look like high beams now. The install went well, so far no creaks/vibrations/pops so far. Success for the amateur enthusiast. Here are some car porn and notes from the install Messing with iOS6 Panorama mode. Thanks to my buddy Nick for letting me crash his garage and helping me with the install. 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-1 by VictorN07, on Flickr 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-2 by VictorN07, on Flickr 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-3 by VictorN07, on Flickr 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-4 by VictorN07, on Flickr RCE Yellow Springs vs OEM Front. The RCE Yellows are much beefier than the OEM one. Definitely feels like a quality product. 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-5 by VictorN07, on Flickr The Rear hats do not rotate freely like the fronts. We had to separate the metal thingy from the rubber piece that grips onto the top of the spring. The rubber has to be rotated to accomodate for the RCE Yellows. Otherwise the hat and the lower attachment point won't line up and can't be re installed in the car. 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-6 by VictorN07, on Flickr This is the proper way to break loose and tighten the top nut on each strut. Make sure the springs are compressed for safety. Use a 6mm Hex Key and 17mm pass through socket on the front struts. Use a 5mm Hex Key and 14mm pass through socket on the rear struts I could not break the nuts loose by hand. Using an impact driver, I tapped lightly until I saw the socket turn slightly. Then finish with the hand tools. Using solely an impact driver may spin the inner shaft. If the shaft spins enough, the seals in the shock will break making for a blown strut. 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-7 by VictorN07, on Flickr The Cusco Lower Control Arm has a pillowball bushing and adjustable camber. The stock one (black) has no adjustment. The Cusco is also much beefier than the OEM one. I think it'll take a lot to bend this arm. 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-8 by VictorN07, on Flickr 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-9 by VictorN07, on Flickr It's hard to see in this picture; the swaybar endlinks are weaksauce. 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-10 by VictorN07, on Flickr Here is a picture of my car right when I bought it. IMG_0301 by VictorN07, on Flickr Oh my how have things changed 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-11 by VictorN07, on Flickr Pre-Drop with the Weds 21020923-RallyArmorMudGaurd-01 by VictorN07, on Flickr Post Drop 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-12 by VictorN07, on Flickr Playing with the filters in Camera+ 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-16 by VictorN07, on Flickr 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-17 by VictorN07, on Flickr My Favorite Picture! 20121005-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-18 by VictorN07, on Flickr Update: Get the alignment! http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...50&postcount=7 Camber differences visualized http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=10 Last edited by F1point4; 10-08-2012 at 07:45 PM. Reason: Added more comments.

10-08-2012, 10:04 AM	#4
YoKeutla Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: Iowa Posts: 71 Thanks: 16 Thanked 47 Times in 25 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So much win in this thread! Car looks great, Victor! Very clean and classy, the way the car should be. Keep up the good work __________________ Sponsored By: FT-86 SpeedFactory - http://ft86speedfactory.com *Cheers!*:happy0180: YO

10-08-2012, 03:13 PM	#7
F1point4 Photo Specialist Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 DGM 6MT Location: Texas Posts: 1,152 Thanks: 587 Thanked 1,802 Times in 420 Posts Mentioned: 94 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Alignment is in Took my car in to get an alignment. I now understand the significance of getting one after doing major suspension work like installing springs/coilovers. Pre-alignment the car would feel very twitchy, floaty, and I could break traction even on my 245 star specs easily. Scary. Andrew with @Racecomp Engineering said to take it easy because my toe could be off. Watching the screen while taking baseline measurements confirmed his suspicion. It was definitely out of spec. Friend pointed me to this shop and I got aligned by a Hunter Hawkeye Elite. Not sure if that machine any good but it seemed legit. His computer didn't have the twins in it so he just picked a Avalon for the first go round, and a Scion iQ for the second. Overall I liked that he did it twice to be sure. He did not like the design of the Cusco control arms. He had to drop the arm to make adjustments since the turnbuckle was in the subframe and a wrench wouldn't fit in there. If the adjustments were more out in the open he would have been golden. Dialing in the adjustment in the rear was difficult overall, when he adjusted camber the the toe would fall out and vice versa. I'll take his word for it because his experience trumps mine. Overall he got it to a good setting as indicated in the printout below. He said when I sit in the car it'll be closer to the targets RCE recommends. I noticed an immediate improvement in stability and road going manners. The twitchiness/grip issues are gone. Need to take it out to find the upper limits I'll post more when I can ring her out. 20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment by VictorN07, on Flickr For reference here are the factory alignment specs for the 86 (Courtesy of the FR-S Service Manual from this forum) I believe it's missing thrust angle and SAI. 20121005-86-Alignment-1 by VictorN07, on Flickr In summary, get the alignment! Last edited by F1point4; 10-08-2012 at 07:33 PM. Reason: Added factory settings

10-08-2012, 07:31 PM	#10
F1point4 Photo Specialist Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 DGM 6MT Location: Texas Posts: 1,152 Thanks: 587 Thanked 1,802 Times in 420 Posts Mentioned: 94 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Camber visuals post alignment I will admit helping the poke was some motivation to get the springs. At the time I didn't know that negative camber would help front grip so bonus points for that. Always great to look good while being functional. The 17x9 ET35 wheels do poke a bit up front with the stock camber settings (stock is 0 degrees). The rears are already good without the extra help. Overall the negative camber and drop helps the look, but it still pokes. I could add more negative camber at the expense of uneven inner tire wear. I'm conservative so I'll leave it alone. This fits the bill exactly. Whole car 20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-1 by VictorN07, on Flickr Here is a photo with 0 camber in front 20120922-TC105N_Z1StarSpec-30 by VictorN07, on Flickr From the same angle you can see it sticks out much less. 20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-2 by VictorN07, on Flickr 20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-3 by VictorN07, on Flickr Rears look super good 20121008-RCEYellow-CuscoLCA-Alignment-4 by VictorN07, on Flickr Last edited by F1point4; 10-08-2012 at 08:33 PM.

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10-08-2012, 09:26 AM	#2
Apex Chase El Presidente Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: it like I stole it! Location: Shelbyville, Ky Posts: 205 Thanks: 82 Thanked 117 Times in 58 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Looks sick! That is the same wheel and spring set up I am planning on, just a different color car.

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FT-86 SpeedFactory Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 7,694 Thanks: 1,298 Thanked 3,578 Times in 1,253 Posts Mentioned: 341 Post(s) Tagged: 5 Thread(s)	Looks great! Wheel tire combo is awesome. Love to see someone building a car correctly. Great job! -Jeremy

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RavSpec Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Rx7 Location: NYC Posts: 1,721 Thanks: 7 Thanked 473 Times in 232 Posts Mentioned: 71 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	nice !!!!!! been waiting for these send u pics up to WEDS USA !

10-08-2012, 07:01 PM	#8
Racecomp Engineering Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2016 BRZ, 2012 Paris Di2 & 2018 STI Location: Severn, MD Posts: 5,406 Thanks: 3,419 Thanked 7,241 Times in 2,962 Posts Mentioned: 303 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	Nice thorough writeup! Real happy you're digging the springs. Yes the alignment can have a huge effect on twitchiness and stability. Glad you emailed me since its a big deal. Now go have fun. - Andrew

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JoeBoxer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Whiteout FR-S Location: Arkansas Posts: 4,154 Thanks: 1,666 Thanked 1,627 Times in 997 Posts Mentioned: 72 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Damn i didn't think of using another vehicle to get aligned with, our machine at work doesn't have them either we have been trying to get the specs from Hunter but they are saying december.

10-08-2012, 11:44 PM	#11
Coastermikey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: BRZ DGM Location: Maryland Posts: 109 Thanks: 18 Thanked 30 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	i love my rce yellows, ive been riding on them for almost a month now with no alignment yet lol looks like ill be needing one asap.

10-08-2012, 11:52 PM	#12
FT-86 SpeedFactory Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 7,694 Thanks: 1,298 Thanked 3,578 Times in 1,253 Posts Mentioned: 341 Post(s) Tagged: 5 Thread(s)	That looks great! Good job on picking the right parts.

10-09-2012, 12:45 AM	#14
Phaedrus29 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: PA Posts: 683 Thanks: 106 Thanked 248 Times in 133 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I've also been driving around on yellows without an alignment for about 1.5 weeks. The shop I want to go to for my camber bushings install and alignment can't get me in for another 1.5 weeks. You can definitely see that the rears have added negative camber. I put my stock wheels/tires back on so I wouldn't mess up my new ones. So far really enjoying the yellows...no real issues yet and the drop looks great. I can't wait to see how the drop looks on my Volks! One minor thing is that, for some reason, my left front wheel gap is 1/16"-1/8" taller than my other ones. I tried checking that strut out but didn't see anything wrong. Oh well, it's pretty minimal.

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