Official: Toyota FT-1 Concept / First New Supra Prototype Spotted!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by rvoll

When I stroked the motor on one of my Porsches, the car was no longer balanced and as forgiving. It took me a year to bring it back with suspension changes, bigger wheels and tires and specially constructed transaxle mounts. I could out drag people better, but it was not as much fun at the track.

Should have just followed this blueprint....

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by rvoll

I'm not totally sure about this depending on context. If you just add 80hp without also changing suspension, tires, etc., then aren't you compromising handling for power? Don't you need something to handle the greater power? Might you need a better clutch? If you're just adding 20 hp as in the MX5, then your compromise statement may be more accurate IMO.

This brings up a suspicion I've had for a while, that the ND was always supposed to have the 180hp motor, but they couldn't get it ready/pass emissions/whatever in time. So they released it with a detuned motor that did pass, while the car itself was engineered with the 180hp motor in mind. This could explain why Mazda didn't change much to beef the chassis up.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by m.box.design

The 4 cyl version is aimed at people who can't afford to finance the 6 cyl version. Even the MK4 had a non turbo and base model SE models to accommodate a lower price bracket. The GT86 outside of the US also had a stripped down RC model intended for tracking/modifications.

If a race team or privateer decides they want to utilize the platform for motorsports and want to drop a different motor in or exchange paint with other cars, it'd be a no-brainer to start with the cheaper of the 2 options. Right?

There are two ways to look at this -- from a manufacturing perspective and a marketing perspective. You can make a 4 cyl car on the Supra line and market it as a different car. It would be possible that the next gen 86 is built on the Supra chassis but with different body panels, less insulation, etc. Marketing a 4 cyl version of the same car at a much lower price is problematic from a marketing perspective. How do you advertise both cars at once? From everything I've read, I think there will be a race version of the Supra, but it will cost a lot more -- like Porsches and Vettes. I also think the newer Supra will be much harder to mod than the current 86 as everything will be tighter with less space. Only time will tell.

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Should have just followed this blueprint....

I couldn't. I owned 928's.... I never liked the 911's.....

[rvoll]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Should have just followed this blueprint....

So it looks like Tada agrees with Porsche that you just can't bolt on a turbo and make the car right..... What do those guys know about sports cars??????

[krayzie]

You guys looking for this ad again for like the n-th time?

[Leonardo]

via Imgflip Meme Generator


via Imgflip Meme Generator

[MJones_RB]

FWIW, the Supra acts like a much heavier, less nimble car around the track, where the 86's low COG makes it a better performer. Now, if they could just give it some guts...

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3YPhsTtPhs[/ame]

[gymratter]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM8EL2Otu1E[/ame]

[krayzie]

A90 has lower CoG no?

[JD001]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/mos...18.803/page-27

The more I look at the swirls the more I'm seeing '86'... I hope that's only just me!!

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Should have just followed this blueprint....

“Porsche pioneered this technology for production cars back in 1975.” Oh really???? Maybe for their “production” cars but Turbos were around long before that. The Chevrolet Corvair Monza and the Oldsmobile Jetfire were the first turbo-powered passenger cars, and they debut in 1962/63.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Stephen W.

“Porsche pioneered this technology for production cars back in 1975.” Oh really???? Maybe for their “production” cars but Turbos were around long before that. The Chevrolet Corvair Monza and the Oldsmobile Jetfire were the first turbo-powered passenger cars, and they debut in 1962/63.

You can still pioneer technology without being first.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Stephen W.

“Porsche pioneered this technology for production cars back in 1975.” Oh really???? Maybe for their “production” cars but Turbos were around long before that

Yea turbos themselves are well over a 100 years old. They go back to aircraft engines for high altitudes. In fact, it was a GM engineer (Sandford Moss) who pioneered it, testing them on Pike's Peak back in the early 1900s. They were used in aircraft engines as early as 1920 I believe.

Not 100% sure about cars, but I think it was the Oldsmobile Jetfire in the early 60s that was the first production car with a turbo.