Subaru Testing a BRZ with STI Badging and a Big Wing

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Nope it remains high. All it means is you have higher revs while waiting for the turbo to kick in. The lag is still there.

No danger of knock... I thought compression was lowered to stop knocking.

[johan]

Originally Posted by JD001

No danger of knock... I thought compression was lowered to stop knocking.

There is always danger of knock. Tuning, a properly sized/setup turbo/kit and restraint are key to engine longevity.

[JD001]

Originally Posted by johan

There is always danger of knock. Tuning, a properly sized/setup turbo/kit and restraint are key to engine longevity.

So a turbo'd Twin behaves different prior to the point when the turbo has spooled up compared to NA ? Is the NA smarter off the line?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Poodles

I was more arguing that 250-300HP doesn't require a total redeisgn of the entire car to add AWD. If that was the case, things like the Hellcat and Demon wouldn't exist.

Hellcat has a 4493-pound curb weight. Subaru would never add even the half of the weight difference. They didn't agree in simpler things like providing a convertible model. Why to make this kind of compromise?

And it is not as simple to provide bigger tires. The tS car has already 17x7.5 wheels and Michelin PSS tires with stock power. With the current axle track, they could take an approval up to a 18x8 wheel. A half inch difference and similar rubber, cannot balance a 50-100hp increase.

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Also, not to sound cocky, but I imagine I could lap a stock BRZ around a race track faster than 99.9% of people who complain they need more power could in a FI BRZ. That being the case, I'll argue that those people haven't experienced the car truly on it's limit, and therefore have no idea why the cars are the way they are. And if they want more power for daily driving, well, go back to the Hellcat?

Totally agree. The majority of people requesting more power do not understand the purpose of this car and have not experienced the capabilities even close to the current limit.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Hellcat has a 4493-pound curb weight. Subaru would never add even the half of the weight difference. They didn't agree in simpler things like providing a convertible model. Why to make this kind of compromise?

And it is not as simple to provide bigger tires. The tS car has already 17x7.5 wheels and Michelin PSS tires with stock power. With the current axle track, they could take an approval up to a 18x8 wheel. A half inch difference and similar rubber, cannot balance a 50-100hp increase.

The tS actually runs on 18x7.5. I wish it was on 8 or wider

[Lantana frs]

Sell an exhaust/tune combo as dealer installed. Specify it as closed course only. Charge 1500 bucks for itand voila a snappier car. Toyota will not spend the money for a proper turbo arrangement.

[johan]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Hellcat has a 4493-pound curb weight. Subaru would never add even the half of the weight difference. They didn't agree in simpler things like providing a convertible model. Why to make this kind of compromise?

And it is not as simple to provide bigger tires. The tS car has already 17x7.5 wheels and Michelin PSS tires with stock power. With the current axle track, they could take an approval up to a 18x8 wheel. A half inch difference and similar rubber, cannot balance a 50-100hp increase.

I tend to disagree. I have a '17 with roughly 300bhp via a supercharger on this chassis with 17x8 - 245w PSS, it is absolutely easy to drive on the road and track. With the PP brakes and upgraded suspension (which I have driven a lot, my friend has one), it's begging for the power. With that wing for the added downforce - it would be 100% awesome.

And, it doesn't need to have 300bhp from the factory - 250 would be fine. 50 less than I have now, it'd be trivial with the upgrades seen on that STI to have it be considered safe on the street and track. I'd argue that it's ignorant to claim otherwise.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by johan

I tend to disagree. I have a '17 with roughly 300bhp via a supercharger on this chassis with 17x8 - 245w PSS, it is absolutely easy to drive on the road and track. With the PP brakes and upgraded suspension (which I have driven a lot, my friend has one), it's begging for the power. With that wing for the added downforce - it would be 100% awesome.

And, it doesn't need to have 300bhp from the factory - 250 would be fine. 50 less than I have now, it'd be trivial with the upgrades seen on that STI to have it be considered safe on the street and track. I'd argue that it's ignorant to claim otherwise.

Where is it begging for this power? Can you provide an example?

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by johan

I tend to disagree. I have a '17 with roughly 300bhp via a supercharger on this chassis with 17x8 - 245w PSS, it is absolutely easy to drive on the road and track. With the PP brakes and upgraded suspension (which I have driven a lot, my friend has one), it's begging for the power. With that wing for the added downforce - it would be 100% awesome.

And, it doesn't need to have 300bhp from the factory - 250 would be fine. 50 less than I have now, it'd be trivial with the upgrades seen on that STI to have it be considered safe on the street and track. I'd argue that it's ignorant to claim otherwise.

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Where is it begging for this power? Can you provide an example?

I think he means that it's begging for a manual transmission.

[johan]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Where is it begging for this power? Can you provide an example?

Really?

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

I think he means that it's begging for a manual transmission.

Last I checked, PP only comes with a MT.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by johan

Really?

Is this an answer?

You made a statement and I would like to understand what exactly you mean ...

[ericwudi0830]

So who's actually gonna buy the BRZ STI?

[Side]

Originally Posted by ericwudi0830

So who's actually gonna buy the BRZ STI?

I might trade my '16 automatic for it. Depends what the performance benefits are, and if the big wing is optional.

I'm also a bit curious about the WRX STI Type RA, but I think I love the BRZ platform a bit too much to make that trade.

Guess we'll find out on June 8th.

[Swift]

I will put the money down on one if my thinking is that the model itself will be discontinued soon or is going downhill in the looks department etc. This all depends on how limited this car is also.

Then again the WRX STI RA is looking mighty fiiiiiiine