Frs vs s2000

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by ayau

so you're selling?

No longer selling. I figured that I can always get a BRZ down the road. It would be hard to find another CR & wouldn't want to start over with the track s2k. I'll get a BRZ down the line.

Just to add... The dealerships have quite a few BRZs in the NYC area. Selling for MSRP.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Just as a reference point, this is how hard I'm driving the cars. Look at the rear tire in this picture. Looks stretched right? You can see the rim against the background. Also look at the compression. I'm on 16k springs square this day.



This is what the car looks like at rest...

just curious, what dampers are you running on the 16k springs?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by fenixv8

LOL not faster than my S2000 was:

Body kits make you go fast?

[fenixv8]

Probably Tein super racing coiler overs?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ayau

just curious, what dampers are you running on the 16k springs?

Originally Posted by fenixv8

Probably Tein super racing coiler overs?

More specifically, a custom valved set of Tein SRC (not EVS spec) that were on loan to me for setup and feedback.

[MattZ28]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

This is what the car looks like at rest...

I don't see a car in this picture.

[fenixv8]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Body kits make you go fast?

well the kit was less weight than some of the stock parts and some of this helps too

Engine Modifications Mugen carbon-fiber intake system, header, exhaust system, oil cap & rad cap; J's Racing carbon-fiber radiator plate & oil catch can

Drivetrain J's Racing 4.4 final drive, ATS carbon 2-way LSD, AP1 flywheel

Engine Management Hondata Flash Pro

Wheels, Tires & Brakes Volk Racing CE28N 18x10.5" (f/r) wheels, Yokohama Advan A048R 265/35R18 (f/r) tires, Rays aluminum lug nuts, Spoon monoblock calipers (f), Mugen active gate brake rotors, Endless CC RG brake pads, Endless brake lines

Suspension & Chassis KW Variant 3 coilovers, S2000 CR sway bars, ASM GT strut tower bar (f) & floor brace; J's Racing strut tower bar (r), bumpsteer kit, roll center adjusters, camber ball joints & rear diff spacer; Spoon Sport lower tie bar & X-brace; aluminum diff bushings

Also the body kit is 10cm wider in the front and back to hide the wider track and 10.5 inch wide wheels

=)

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by fenixv8

well the kit was less weight than some of the stock parts and some of this helps too

Engine Modifications Mugen carbon-fiber intake system, header, exhaust system, oil cap & rad cap; J's Racing carbon-fiber radiator plate & oil catch can

Drivetrain J's Racing 4.4 final drive, ATS carbon 2-way LSD, AP1 flywheel

Engine Management Hondata Flash Pro

Wheels, Tires & Brakes Volk Racing CE28N 18x10.5" (f/r) wheels, Yokohama Advan A048R 265/35R18 (f/r) tires, Rays aluminum lug nuts, Spoon monoblock calipers (f), Mugen active gate brake rotors, Endless CC RG brake pads, Endless brake lines

Suspension & Chassis KW Variant 3 coilovers, S2000 CR sway bars, ASM GT strut tower bar (f) & floor brace; J's Racing strut tower bar (r), bumpsteer kit, roll center adjusters, camber ball joints & rear diff spacer; Spoon Sport lower tie bar & X-brace; aluminum diff bushings

Also the body kit is 10cm wider in the front and back to hide the wider track and 10.5 inch wide wheels

=)

I'd be willing to put my CR against your car on track to demonstrate what a few well chosen parts can do versus a fully decked out car

In "full" trim (I've never actually run it in this state...):

BYS cooling plate
Tein SRC, custom valved (note my "almost stock" ride height)
J's racing front offset ball joint
SPC rear offset ball joint
BBS RG-R 17x8.5 with 255 RS3
J's Racing 70RR
FlashPro

Everything else is otherwise stock with no additional weight reduction, unless an aftermarket clutch and bucket seat count.

[fenixv8]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'd be willing to put my CR against your car on track to demonstrate what a few well chosen parts can do versus a fully decked out car

In "full" trim (I've never actually run it in this state...):

BYS cooling plate
Tein SRC, custom valved (note my "almost stock" ride height)
J's racing front offset ball joint
SPC rear offset ball joint
BBS RG-R 17x8.5 with 255 RS3
J's Racing 70RR
FlashPro

Everything else is otherwise stock with no additional weight reduction, unless an aftermarket clutch and bucket seat count.

Some solid mods you have there.

I had Custom Tein SRC at one point. You should look into KW Clubsports.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by fenixv8

I had Custom Tein SRC at one point. You should look into KW Clubsports.

But that's a downgrade! (and a rather substantial one...)

Alas, the SRCs are a loaner set that I won't have much longer

If I were to purchase my own set, at this point, the only two options I'd consider are SRCs valved to the spec of my loaner set (~4150 retail) or JRZ RS (~5700 retail). While the KW work, IMO, they're not really suited for track duty with modern tire compounds; KW's stubbornness and refusal to update their product for modern tire compounds really shows. Their products for strut fronts are a great value, but not the V3/CS for the s2k. The problem here is similar to the brake problems that S2ks have: the car was designed 15 years ago for compounds available 15 years ago, not today's stuff. A 255 RS3 is easily sticker than the 205/225 R-comps that were run on s2ks when the car first came out.

You can read the woes of trying to get custom valved V3/CS on S2ki's R&C subforum... KW swears that their shocks are perfect and that we can't possibly improve them.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'd be willing to put my CR against your car on track to demonstrate what a few well chosen parts can do versus a fully decked out car

In "full" trim (I've never actually run it in this state...):

BYS cooling plate
Tein SRC, custom valved (note my "almost stock" ride height)
J's racing front offset ball joint
SPC rear offset ball joint
BBS RG-R 17x8.5 with 255 RS3
J's Racing 70RR
FlashPro

Everything else is otherwise stock with no additional weight reduction, unless an aftermarket clutch and bucket seat count.

i'm assuming some sort of track pads too?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ayau

i'm assuming some sort of track pads too?

I can get away without them for a lap... maybe...

[ayau]

kind of off topic, but i'm interested in @CSG Mike's opinion.

what "solution" would you recommend to achieve some negative camber on the BRZ? i'm pretty set on some SPC camber bolts at the front, but i'm unsure about the rear. possibly the stock lower control arm with an adjustable one? i figured these parts will get me about -1.5 degrees of camber.

i suppose you could also get some lowering springs for additional camber, but they'd have to be pretty similar to the stock springs, otherwise you're going to need to upgrade to some aftermarket dampers.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ayau

kind of off topic, but i'm interested in @CSG Mike's opinion.

what "solution" would you recommend to achieve some negative camber on the BRZ? i'm pretty set on some SPC camber bolts at the front, but i'm unsure about the rear. possibly the stock lower control arm with an adjustable one? i figured these parts will get me about -1.5 degrees of camber.

i suppose you could also get some lowering springs for additional camber, but they'd have to be pretty similar to the stock springs, otherwise you're going to need to upgrade to some aftermarket dampers.

It's not an issue that we've run into since we're currently on coilovers that are fully height adjustable (for camber in the rear) and have a camber plate + crash bolt in the front...