Frs vs s2000

[iLuveKetchup]

Double post

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

For some reason it makes more sense to me on how you said it. Ok I step down on this debate.

Damnit I was looking forward to driving to SoCal. lol

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by vhx1

I currently own an 06 s2000.. only mods are brake pads 225/255 hankook rs3 and a bucket seat and have been competing in the s2k challenge stock class for the last few years. Currently very interested in getting a BRZ as second car for a daily as I don't want to sell my s2k. Since the s2k challenge is run on most of the socal tracks, what many of us have seen is the brz really shine on tracks where aerodynamics makes a difference i.e. the famous buttonwillow raceway config 13 clockwise. If anyone has spent a good amount of time at the track events where brz/frs/s2k are driven by competent drivers, then you tend to agree with mike has been saying. On slower speed tracks like streets of willow springs, an equivalently modded s2k will usually turn quicker lap times with equl driver. On a higher speed track like buttonwillow 13cw or auto club speed roval, the brz/frs is just as fast if not faster assuming equal drivers/tires/mods.

For some reason, your explanation makes more sense & my mind actually accepts it. lol Ok I step down on this debate.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I agree actually. On paper it definitely shouldn't be faster. IMO it probably comes down to consistency and the S2K's aero problems (which are kinda hard to deny).

A buddy pointed out one of the things Mike said that reminded me of the ITR (greater than the sum of it's parts). ITRs have been faster than many more "capable" (on paper) cars with good drivers too.

This, in particular, is true. Granted, I have a lot more data to pull from with the S2k, but I'm much closer to the theoretical best times in the BRZ than I am with my S2k.

To be fair, my CR in particular seems to be looser than other CRs, and I've never been able to pinpoint a cause... I'm actually frustrated enough that I've given in and am going to get an adjustable front swaybar to see if I can get a tiny bit more grip in the back. It's all I need for consistency.

Strangely enough, I have the BRZ set a lot looser than most people like, but my fastest time was with a suspension setting that I thought was absolutely undrivable. The rear was swinging around wildly, and I was countersteering at almost every turn. The thought that that setting would turn in the fastest lap time didn't even cross my mind. Is it repeatable? Yes. Easily? No. I never got within 0.5 seconds of that lap time throughout the rest of the day (albeit, on different settings).

For time-attacks, we'll be using a more conservative, slightly understeery setup while I develop my driving more so that I can deliver close-to-ideal laps with a looser car. I've been driving less than 3 years, and still have a lot to learn.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by vhx1

I currently own an 06 s2000.. only mods are brake pads 225/255 hankook rs3 and a bucket seat and have been competing in the s2k challenge stock class for the last few years. Currently very interested in getting a BRZ as second car for a daily as I don't want to sell my s2k. Since the s2k challenge is run on most of the socal tracks, what many of us have seen is the brz really shine on tracks where aerodynamics makes a difference i.e. the famous buttonwillow raceway config 13 clockwise. If anyone has spent a good amount of time at the track events where brz/frs/s2k are driven by competent drivers, then you tend to agree with mike has been saying. On slower speed tracks like streets of willow springs, an equivalently modded s2k will usually turn quicker lap times with equl driver. On a higher speed track like buttonwillow 13cw or auto club speed roval, the brz/frs is just as fast if not faster assuming equal drivers/tires/mods.

I'm aiming for a 1:23.xxx at SoWS this weekend, albeit on r-comps.

I set the goal at a 1:27.x two weeks ago, and beat the goal my first lap out... remember, coilovers make a HUGE different at SoWS (although my S2k times don't reflect that...) The lack of power sucks on the front and back straights though, and the gearing is "perfectly" bad. Worse than the AP2. Data was showing that a 1:25.2 is possible with no changes.

Just to throw a curve ball, it turned out that the damper settings were wrong (my noobness prevented me from actually ever checking that day... never assume things are perfect), and there was a loss of grip almost everywhere. I'll definitely be faster this weekend.

[TRD_86]

Didn't read all the pages but anyway if you have the money to go buy a car right now, why would you buy an old S2k that look like 90s car? Example for $30k I can buy a few years old 370Z, G37, 335i..., but again those cars don't have the look of the brand new design 86 coupe. Secondly, if you like faster car then buy those used cars for better deal in speed and horse power. Price differences analysis for comparison sometime is not a point.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by TRD_86

Didn't read all the pages but anyway if you have the money to go buy a car right now, why would you buy an old S2k that look like 90s car? Example for $30k I can buy a few years old 370Z, G37, 335i..., but again those cars don't have the look of the brand new design 86 coupe. Secondly, if you like faster car then buy those used cars for better deal in speed and horse power. Price differences analysis for comparison sometime is not a point.

They are also completely DIFFERENT types of cars than the BRZ/FRS/S2000.

Different strokes for different folks.

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by Captain Insano

Again don't get me wrong. I would LOVE to own an S2000. The only thing I don't like about them - I really hate convertibles, but with the hard top options I think they look totally bad ass.

I've run with a hardtop for so long that I forget that it can be removed & the car is a convertible.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Damnit I was looking forward to driving to SoCal. lol

Oh it's still on like Donkey Kong!! I'm planning on shipping the car to a relative in SoCal.

[fenixv8]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The FRS is faster than the S2k at most tracks once you equalize the tires and put on a good set of coilovers; you can put coilovers on the s2k too, and it's still slower.

Disclaimer: I own a S2000 CR

LOL not faster than my S2000 was:


http://www.modified.com/features/mod...0/viewall.html

[ayau]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

I've run with a hardtop for so long that I forget that it can be removed & the car is a convertible.



Oh it's still on like Donkey Kong!! I'm planning on shipping the car to a relative in SoCal.

so you're selling?

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by fenixv8

LOL not faster than my S2000 was:


http://www.modified.com/features/mod...0/viewall.html

Reminds me of...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by fenixv8

LOL not faster than my S2000 was:

Again, with equal mods, a FRS/BRZ would be faster. Imagine a BRZ like our shop car, with some voltex and amuse aero on it.

Great looking car though

[CSG Mike]

Just as a reference point, this is how hard I'm driving the cars. Look at the rear tire in this picture. Looks stretched right? You can see the rim against the background. Also look at the compression. I'm on 16k springs square this day.



This is what the car looks like at rest...

[civicguy102]

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/27/h...-revival-many/


What about this S?