Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by sato

Is the tune (guessing via OFT) minimally invasive? Any traceability?

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With the oft you have the option to flash back to stock when you head Into the dealer. That way it's less likely that the dealer will notice anything wrong.

[Tenthousanddays]

Originally Posted by Tenthousanddays

Yeah... This is awesome. I've read through all 216 pages of this, even the flaming .

Anyway, I was looking into doing something like this on my last vehicle (2011 Honda CRZ, which I sold about 3 weeks ago, and bought the BRZ the same day) while incorporating a system from a friendly engineer who helped me and several fellow students work on transforming a crappy Plymouth Neon into a Hybrid using his super efficient electric motors. It was several years ago when we toured his shop, but i distinctly remember him mentioning applications of his motors on Superchargers and Turbochargers. I recently got in contact with him with regards to helping develop something for the CRZ, and I got this wonderful picture in return:



The system above uses his high speed brush-less motor and controllers in conjunction with a Borg-Warner S200. I'm pretty curious about the blower and motor specs which Rob uses in the Phantom.

Definitely want to get on this "bandwagon", and am definitely interested in working with Rob and Dan from "eCycle" (manufacture of the above turbo) in developing something even more awesome!

Thoughts?

Nobody?

Just curious what kind of electric motor and controller this uses, as I'm interested in what kind of gains would be possible with a different motor (the one mentioned above...)

[shif7i7down]

Originally Posted by Tenthousanddays

Nobody?

Just curious what kind of electric motor and controller this uses, as I'm interested in what kind of gains would be possible with a different motor (the one mentioned above...)

Of course we're interested in different variety of esc to choose from but i think it's because
CLASSIFIEDS RULES.
NO THREAD CRAPPING - DO NOT go into a member's for sale thread and post off-topic or critical comments or try to sell your own item in another member's classifieds threads. DO NOT go into a sponsor's classifieds thread and do the same. These threads are protected from any mention of other competing products, complaints, criticisms. There is a vendors' feedback forum for such purposes.

[fenton]

Originally Posted by Tenthousanddays

Nobody?

Just curious what kind of electric motor and controller this uses, as I'm interested in what kind of gains would be possible with a different motor (the one mentioned above...)

Never heard of them. By looking at the website it looks like they got a lot of different ideas cooking but no empirical data or facts about the SC system.

To my knowledge Rob and Phantom are the first ones to hit mass market with a low cost option with modest gains.

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[shif7i7down]

I may be wrong, but just saying

[fenton]

Originally Posted by shif7i7down

Of course we're interested in different variety of esc to choose from but i think it's because
CLASSIFIEDS RULES.
NO THREAD CRAPPING - DO NOT go into a member's for sale thread and post off-topic or critical comments or try to sell your own item in another member's classifieds threads. DO NOT go into a sponsor's classifieds thread and do the same. These threads are protected from any mention of other competing products, complaints, criticisms. There is a vendors' feedback forum for such purposes.

That applies to classified threads. People talk plenty about other forums of fi in these build threads.

We like to keep it on topic with Phantom though as people that are watching and waiting get uninterested when there is meaningless banter back and forth.

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[robwbright]

Originally Posted by fenton

That applies to classified threads. People talk plenty about other forums of fi in these build threads.

We like to keep it on topic with Phantom though as people that are watching and waiting get uninterested when there is meaningless banter back and forth.

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There is an open source ESC thread... that would probably be the better place for discussion of other options.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41148

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by Tenthousanddays

Nobody?

Just curious what kind of electric motor and controller this uses, as I'm interested in what kind of gains would be possible with a different motor (the one mentioned above...)

It's hard to comment on something that we have no knowledge (but that doesn't seem to stop some people). As Robwbright has pointed out, the open source thread is the place for that conversation, this thread is about the Phantom system.

[robwbright]

Looking through the description/details of the ESC, I see this:

"The throttle switch is configured to activate during wide open throttle (WOT)... The bracket can be adjusted to change the position when the supercharger is activated. Most users pick a position between 80 and 100 percent throttle."

Isn't 80% throttle different from WOT?

What are the real world advantages/disadvantages to activation at 80% vs. activation at 100%?

Thanks!

[shif7i7down]

Originally Posted by robwbright

Looking through the description/details of the ESC, I see this:

"The throttle switch is configured to activate during wide open throttle (WOT)... The bracket can be adjusted to change the position when the supercharger is activated. Most users pick a position between 80 and 100 percent throttle."

Isn't 80% throttle different from WOT?

What are the real world advantages/disadvantages to activation at 80% vs. activation at 100%?

Thanks!

Responds time ? Turbo lag lol

[Tenthousanddays]

Holy crap... sorry... wasn't trying to offend anyone, considering the immense amount of BS in this thread I didn't think discussing another idea for powering the blower as spam.

I think you're a bit confused on where I'm coming from. I WANT this system! I want to buy one! But I'm also interested in helping to make it better.

[Tenthousanddays]

Originally Posted by fenton

Never heard of them. By looking at the website it looks like they got a lot of different ideas cooking but no empirical data or facts about the SC system.

To my knowledge Rob and Phantom are the first ones to hit mass market with a low cost option with modest gains.

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I think he sells mainly to industrial applications, nothing really "mass market". I really like the looks of the Phantom system, great price point - and nice gains! I've been eyeing up ESC's for a while now, and having just purchased a BRZ and finding out there's a system already developed for it is super exciting! I'm definitely getting on the list to buy one.

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by robwbright

Looking through the description/details of the ESC, I see this:

"The throttle switch is configured to activate during wide open throttle (WOT)... The bracket can be adjusted to change the position when the supercharger is activated. Most users pick a position between 80 and 100 percent throttle."

Isn't 80% throttle different from WOT?

What are the real world advantages/disadvantages to activation at 80% vs. activation at 100%?

Thanks!

Rob, 80% throttle position is approximately where the throttle plate is wide open. I've had two switches, my first opened around 70% throttle position, and the one I have now opens at 80%. I much preferred the 70% activation and will make the necessary bends. I find access to the install/uninstall of the throttle position unpleasant. My 51 year old body just doesn't bend like it use to.

[robwbright]

Originally Posted by Gary in NJ

Rob, 80% throttle position is approximately where the throttle plate is wide open. I've had two switches, my first opened around 70% throttle position, and the one I have now opens at 80%. I much preferred the 70% activation and will make the necessary bends. I find access to the install/uninstall of the throttle position unpleasant. My 51 year old body just doesn't bend like it use to.

Thanks, Gary.

I guess what I'm getting at is WHY did you prefer 70% as opposed to 80% or 100%? How does the car and/or ESC act differently?

I don't have any idea how the switch adjusts... I suppose that will become clear when the kit arrives.