Miller Nanodrive Analysis

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

Group III+ ?
Group IV ?

Olive oil would be Group V.

Group V – All others not included above such as naphthenics, PAG, esters. ...

These are primarily triglyceride esters derived from plants and animals. For lubricant base oil use the vegetable derived materials are preferred. Common ones include high oleic canola oil, castor oil, palm oil, sunflower seed oil and rapeseed oil from vegetable, and Tall oil from tree sources. Many vegetable oils are often hydrolyzed to yield the acids which are subsequently combined selectively to form specialist synthetic esters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubricant#Base_oil_groups

Miller's Nanodrive, being triple ester based, is Group V as well so I guess we're not actually too far

-Dennis

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Olive oil would be Group V.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubricant#Base_oil_groups

Miller's Nanodrive, being triple ester based, is Group V as well so I guess we're not actually too far

-Dennis

Trudat. Although you and I know how much MolaKule loves those veggie esters, like RLI corn oil. LOL.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by Bg8780

I've been pretty happy with he fluids so far. 190whp 155wtq with JDL UEL uncatted and catted front pipe. I'm not saying Miller's oil gave me those results but I think it helped.

Originally Posted by GotBRZ1691

+1

Originally Posted by Reaper

@ATL BRZ looking forward to your uoa.

Originally Posted by Xuningshen

Likewise Reaper. ATL Please post your UOA in this thread once you get it done. but If you've been using it like that. I'd assume its okay for my usage. Thanks

Here is mine. 3000 miles, 10 track days, exclusively E85.

Just spoke with Harry at Performance Racing Oils who said to ignore the red flag on the oxidation number since Nanodrive uses ester base stocks. The baseline shows high oxidation numbers as well but the lab is reporting it as a false red flag.

He said it looks great considering the amount of track time it has on it.

[Reaper]

That's very similar to the uoa I posted at 5,000 miles @ 460whp e85 on my oil. Including the oxidation levels.
Though I have substantialy more zinc and less dirt.(silicon) viscosity is the same too. Interesting.

[viscositosis.rex]

Thanks again for these enlightening reports. Solid. Miller's, Motul, Red Line, Royal Purple. Anybody trying the German ester based oils? Pentosin. Liquimoly.

Not that you track/E85 dudes would be inclined to do so, but I am interested in how thin someone could get away with. These ester based oils are so shear stable. Maybe RL 0W20/5W20 or RP 5W20 HPS.

It has been suggested that viscosity can be masked by fuel dilution+oxidation.

[Reaper]

I'm on 5 quarts 5w20, 3 quarts 10w30 amsoil dominator for the winter now just for the ease of cold start cranking if it gets that cold. I also pulled my oil cooler out.

[Bg8780]

Updated with 10k analysis

[killy]

Do they recommend keeping this oil on for 10K miles?
Or do they advice to change it more often?

[OkieSnuffBox]

@ATL BRZ any idea why Miller recommends 3k oil changes on E85, yet you have UOAs showing 3k track miles and 7k street miles on E85 showing good results?

I want to run Millers, but not at 3k oil change intervals, it's just too pricey at that point.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

@ATL BRZ any idea why Miller recommends 3k oil changes on E85, yet you have UOAs showing 3k track miles and 7k street miles on E85 showing good results?

The "uoa wear metals" are low, but I wouldn't call these results that good because of the fuel.

The severe oxidation flagged by Polaris could partially be because this is a ester based oil and high oxidation readings are a trait of ester based oils and not necessarily "true" oxidation (need a VOA to tell), but the fuel dilution is far from good at 6.1%, IMO. The fuel may be causing oxidation as well.

Check for source of FUEL LEAK. Fuel is at a SIGNIFICANT LEVEL. Fuel dilution may be caused by component faults related to injectors, ignition/timing or excessive blow-by. Additional causes include heavy throttle application, engine lugging, frequent short trips, and excessive idling. Infrared results indicate OXIDATION is SEVERELY HIGH; FUEL DILUTION has caused viscosity to decrease moderately; FUEL DILUTION reduces the viscosity of the lubricant which decreases FILM STRENGTH and LUBRICITY and may lead to increased wear.

[killy]

Originally Posted by Bg8780

It has proved to be very durable. I'm strongly considering pushing this to 10k intervals. I may do another analysis around 8500 MI and see how it's looking.

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Did you managed to keep this oil running for a longer mileage?
Do you know what is the recommended oil change interval?

I was eager to try this but i want to keep it for at least 10.000 km, at least.

[Bg8780]

Originally Posted by killy

Did you managed to keep this oil running for a longer mileage?
Do you know what is the recommended oil change interval?

I was eager to try this but i want to keep it for at least 10.000 km, at least.

I actually did. I went to 10k miles. The UOA came back as fine. It was DEFINITELY time for an oil change but there was no wear or damage. I now change at 7500mi. Based on all the UOA's 7500mi seems to be a good time. Keep in mind I am not tracking the car but I go to redline quite a bit and drive quite spiritedly.

[jaorocks1]

Where can i buy this??

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by jaorocks1

Where can i buy this??

www.performanceracingoils.com