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Old 04-03-2012, 09:18 PM   #1
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Toyota 86 vs. 2012 Honda CRZ Mugen ICF

So apparently Honda has greenlit a version of the Mugen CRZ for production in the UK. After looking at the details it seems like a pretty good package. Was wondering if any of our European friends might be mulling this comparison over.

2012 Honda CR-Z iCF Mugen
Price £24,000
0-100KPH: 6.1
Horsepower: 173 HP

Not many any details yet at the moment. Expected to go on sale in the Spring.



http://www.topspeed.com/cars/honda/2...-ar120745.html

For reference the GT 86 will go for £28,000.

I drove the CRZ and was pretty surprised. It's a great package, with solid steering feel, somewhat toss-able, and somewhat sporty with the manual. If they give a stiffer suspension, and a little more power, it could be a seriously fun to drive car.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:30 PM   #2
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I thought the GT86 was 24,999 GBP?
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:34 PM   #3
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It wasn't built to be a drivers car from the beginning. The 86 is.
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:42 PM   #4
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I thought the GT86 was 24,999 GBP?
it is

announced just under 25K so no clue where OP is pulling his numbers from
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:30 PM   #5
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It wasn't built to be a drivers car from the beginning. The 86 is.
neither was the corolla that the 86 is named after. or the itr for that matter
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:53 PM   #6
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Yeah sorry not sure where I pulled that number from, must have been an old article.

Anyways I would say the CR-Z was built to be a driver's car. It was meant to be the first hybrid built for the enthusiast. If you've driven one you would know, it does do a lot of things right. It is actually lighter then the BRZ and it does feel a little tossable, but it doesn't exactly have a sport tuned suspension.

I think this Mugen model is promising.
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:51 PM   #7
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I thought the CRZ was pretty big in the US especially for those people into track events? Lots of people modding CRZ's etc.

I wonder if the Mugen model will make it to Australia. Doubt it though as I've hardly seen any CRZ's around Melbourne. Doesn't seem to be much of a market here. Must be the $40k price tag on it though...
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I saw my second CRZ ever today! Definitely not popular here in California at least.
Personally, I just can't stand the front. The rear styling is actually pretty good imo, I like how Honda is doing the rears on their cars, whereas the BRZ/FRS is slightly ugly at the back, but the BRZ/FRS front fascia looks much more natural and aesthetically pleasing.
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Really? I know of 2 guys that own CRZ's and I don't even live in the States.

I actually quite like the styling of the front and dislike that back! Each to their own I guess...

I think what makes the BRZ/FRS/86 ugly is the damn tail lights!
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Really? I know of 2 guys that own CRZ's and I don't even live in the States.

I actually quite like the styling of the front and dislike that back! Each to their own I guess...

I think what makes the BRZ/FRS/86 ugly is the damn tail lights!
yea the protruding tail lights annoys me.
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So apparently Honda has greenlit a version of the Mugen CRZ for production in the UK. After looking at the details it seems like a pretty good package. Was wondering if any of our European friends might be mulling this comparison over.

2012 Honda CR-Z iCF Mugen
Price £24,000
0-100KPH: 6.1
Horsepower: 173 HP

Not many any details yet at the moment. Expected to go on sale in the Spring.



http://www.topspeed.com/cars/honda/2...-ar120745.html

For reference the GT 86 will go for £28,000.

I drove the CRZ and was pretty surprised. It's a great package, with solid steering feel, somewhat toss-able, and somewhat sporty with the manual. If they give a stiffer suspension, and a little more power, it could be a seriously fun to drive car.
Personally I wouldnt consider this for a second. For a start, its FWD!!!! and has 25HP less than the Toyota. It might have the 0-60 due to weight/gearing but at 100MPH the lower wind resistence and more powerful Toyota will leave it behind.

I have a friend whom works for Honda and does not rate the CRZ. He much prefers the old Civic Type R. Anyway the manual GT 86 starts at £24,995 and comes fully kitted out. Mine arrives early JULY
To be honest I have been looking at the GTI, Audi TT, Civic Type R, Pergeot RCZ, Audi A5 coupe, BMW 3 series coupe but all of them have things I dont like. To me the Toyota GT 86 is exactly the car I have been waiting for: A drivers car with decent straight line performance (high revving, with no turbo) that is in the £20k-£30k region.
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^^ heh now that you bring the Civic up, that reminds me, for people saying the CRZ has pretty good driving dynamics, how does it compare to a Civic Si/Type R (which we don't have in America)? If it's comparable, might as well get a Civic. Or if you want something wacko and unique like this, FI a Civic Hybrid :O
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The CR-Z is indeed unique ... i've only seen 2 thus far ...
if it had not a battery and back seats ... it would sell so much more...
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Speaking of Honda... there's a pretty interesting discussion on how the heck Honda lost its direction in providing us with exciting cars.

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