BRZ or LFX RX8 or R53 MCS

[Twinz]

The best thing about this car isn't what happens when you use the gas pedal, it's how little you need to use the brake pedal.

(The ND/ND2 does this trick well too.)

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

the literal definition is "a car designed for performance at high speed" the 86 can handle well at higher speeds, but it can not get to higher speeds to begin with at least not in any reasonable time frame . Adding 100HP to the 86 however makes it able to hit high speeds and at a reasonable rate. The 250whp/300crank was specifically in reference to the 86 platform. Not a universal number for all platforms to need to be classified as a true sports car.

Comparing a car from the early 90s, to a car in 2010+ is not very reasonable, the standard for speed has slowly dropped over the years as performance has gotten better and more attainable to more people. for example a 0-60 in the 7s in early 90s was considered fast, now you need to be in the low 5s. Which btw both a 2015 cayman and a 1991 nsx can do. so i am not really following anything your saying.

and Toyota Sienna and Dodge Caravan to name two, and if you look at 0-40mph the list would include a lot more. The point is a lot of minivans, compact suvs, and especially sedans. can keep up with a 86 off the line or even lower speed pulls. You would expect a true sports car to gap a minivan, not crawl away.

Ricer - "A person who makes unecessary modifications to their most often import car (hence the term "rice") to make it (mostly make it look) faster." The 86 is almost a rice mobile from the factory, designed to look fast but its slow, adding some HP though will make it as fast as it looks.

Dont get me wrong, i love this car, it has everything you could want from a sports car, except one of the most important factors, speed. However like I have said many times that can be fixed with about 4-5k$

https://www.zeroto60times.com/body-style/van/

https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/

….Why are you talking about Ricers now?

[EAGLE5]

Acceleration is overrated, at least on public roads. It's easy to break 100 in a Prius. I just need enough power to pass, which I have with a downshift.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

https://www.zeroto60times.com/body-style/van/

https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/

….Why are you talking about Ricers now?

Without a launch the 86 brz frs is a 7.6-8sec 0-60. Sienna and caravan are low 7s. Heck my Mazda CX-5 is faster if 86 doesn’t launch.

Although honestly 0-60 is irrelevant. I think 40-120 times are better to compare. Although little data on that. That and stock 86 can barely even hit 120.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Without a launch the 86 brz frs is a 7.6-8sec 0-60. Sienna and caravan are low 7s. Heck my Mazda CX-5 is faster if 86 doesn’t launch.

Although honestly 0-60 is irrelevant. I think 40-120 times are better to compare. Although little data on that. That and stock 86 can barely even hit 120.

Where exactly are you getting any of your data?..

[gtpvette]

I say the LFX in an RX8,,,, but of course I'm a bit biased

[Will BRZ]

You really have to decide on what you want bro. In my opinion, the BRZ is the perfect enthusiast car. It’s a blank canvas. You can build a beautiful show car or a track monster. You could also make it a perfect daily driver like most people do. Want to get rid of that torque dip? Get headers and a tune. Want to add more HP and torque? Get a supercharger or turbo kit. You’ll have the ultimate daily if money is no problem lol on top of all that, you can customize this car however you want with the endless aftermarket options. Endless amounts of wheels, suspension upgrades, aero parts, body kits, lighting-whatever you want you can bet someone makes it for the twins. And that’s really what made me go for this car.

I’ve owned a modified 335i with N54 engine and it was fun and all but pretty unreliable for me. Sometimes I miss the power but I don’t regret getting the BRZ. It’s something you can rev out around town or you can cruise with ease while saving a lot of gas. You can easily have fun with it in stock form or you can go crazy with it. If you’re looking for a small, RWD sports car, this is the one for you bro. Good luck

[coryandy]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Without a launch the 86 brz frs is a 7.6-8sec 0-60. Sienna and caravan are low 7s. Heck my Mazda CX-5 is faster if 86 doesn’t launch.

Although honestly 0-60 is irrelevant. I think 40-120 times are better to compare. Although little data on that. That and stock 86 can barely even hit 120.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Where exactly are you getting any of your data?..

Butt dyno. It's calibrated daily, though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Where exactly are you getting any of your data?..

Can't quote him for some reason so I will jump in with you.
Without a launch the Caravan suffers the same time penalty as the FRS.
The only minivans that have a 7 second 0 to 60 (WITH a launch) are the very rare special versions (i.e the SXT. They consist of about 5% of the total made so are meaningless.
The 0 to 60 time for a MT FRS is 6.2 not 7.6.


I love how people distort the 0 to 60 times by taking the rare versions and applying them to everything.
The Twins are firmly in the lower spectrum of the "fast" cars and minivans are in the upper end of the "slow cars" but since they don't have a 3.2 0 to 60 then everything must be faster!

[xdavidx]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

Ricer - "A person who makes unecessary modifications to their most often import car (hence the term "rice")

I'm a bit confused. According to the food and agriculture organization of the united nations (http://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/TP) Over 90% of rice consumed in america is produced domestically. Japan (where these cars are made) presents well below 1% of rice consumed in america. We actually import more rice from Brazil than Japan.



You must have been mistaken. Rice would clearly indicate a domestically produced product.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Can't quote him for some reason so I will jump in with you.
Without a launch the Caravan suffers the same time penalty as the FRS.
The only minivans that have a 7 second 0 to 60 (WITH a launch) are the very rare special versions (i.e the SXT. They consist of about 5% of the total made so are meaningless.
The 0 to 60 time for a MT FRS is 6.2 not 7.6.


I love how people distort the 0 to 60 times by taking the rare versions and applying them to everything.
The Twins are firmly in the lower spectrum of the "fast" cars and minivans are in the upper end of the "slow cars" but since they don't have a 3.2 0 to 60 then everything must be faster!

Film yourself doing 0-60 in 6.2 without launching on a stock 86/brz/frs. You won’t even get in the 6s.

You think auto minivans can rev to 5K+ and dump the clutch? They can rev to torque converter lock up usually in the low to mid 2ks and “launch” from there. not nearly the same difference.

This forum is riddled with 0-60 times illustrating without launching this is mid to high 7s 0-60. YouTube is full of 0-60s without launching as well showing this.

Everyone says this car is slower then your moms minivans. Obviously is partly exaggerated to make a statement that this car is slow. But i still provided examples of minivans as fast or faster if 86/brz/frs doesn’t launch. And tons of minivans do 8-8.2s which are probably equally as fast 0-40.

Add in crossover suvs. List gets a lot bigger

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...der-40000/amp/

[xdavidx]

86TOYOkUr17, If anyone here actually cared about what you are trying to say they wouldn't have bought this car. This is a pointless one sided argument you are having. A ford taurus SHO (family sedan) was faster than a porsche 911 at the time. Pretty sure no porsche owner ever lost any sleep over that. This isn't a car you buy for straight line speed, no one anywhere ever said it was so who cares if a van with a big engine out accelerates it?



Why don't you just sell yours and buy a minivan if it bothers you so much? I'm sure the sienna and caravan forums would be just as interested in this comparison as we all are.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by xdavidx

86TOYOkUr17, If anyone here actually cared about what you are trying to say they wouldn't have bought this car. This is a pointless one sided argument you are having. A ford taurus SHO (family sedan) was faster than a porsche 911 at the time. Pretty sure no porsche owner ever lost any sleep over that. This isn't a car you buy for straight line speed, no one anywhere ever said it was so who cares if a van with a big engine out accelerates it?



Why don't you just sell yours and buy a minivan if it bothers you so much? I'm sure the sienna and caravan forums would be just as interested in this comparison as we all are.

The OP specifically referenced how slow and non exciting the acceleration was.
I think you are just hopping into this thread off my final post and not regarding the entire context of the thread.
Nor did I ever say it bothered me, that and I’m FI so acceleration is no longer an issue.
You have people who get butthurt about people speaking the truth about the lack of acceleration this car has in stock form, or they try to mislead people claiming its faster then it is.
I’ve also said this car/platforms checks every box you could want/ask for out of a sports car minus one. Acceleration, and that can be resolved for around 5k$.
Easier to add FI then drastically changing weight, wheel base, entire look of car etc..

[xdavidx]

You are right, I am just responding to your last 6 or so posts where you said the car has no balls, is rice, and posted half page specs of minivan 0-60 times and argued with people about how it is slower than minivans. Pretty hard to even tell what the OP was saying after all that.