ACE A-350 dyno results - Did it deliver?

[gtengr]

Just to clarify, the dyno tuning gains are being compared to the datalog-revised tune and not the initial tune?

[justinco]

Originally Posted by gtengr

Just to clarify, the dyno tuning gains are being compared to the datalog-revised tune and not the initial tune?

Dyno tune compared to the street tune.

The street tune power results are what is posted at beginning of this thread.

[gtengr]

Originally Posted by justinco

The street tune power results are what is posted at beginning of this thread.

I reread the thread and saw the post where you said it was based on datalogging, so that answers my question. Thanks for sharing your data!

[nikitopo]

I thought you mentioned in the first post something about a Mustang dyno. So it was a street dyno? Anyway, not much of importance. The difference in the new dyno is still small. The Nameless header was giving the same or even better results a long time ago.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...98&postcount=1

But if you are happy with the gains in 3-4k rpm, who cares? Enjoy your car!

[justinco]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I thought you mentioned in the first post something about a Mustang dyno. So it was a street dyno? Anyway, not much of importance. The difference in the new dyno is still small. The Nameless header was giving the same or even better results a long time ago.

But if you are happy with the gains in 3-4k rpm, who cares? Enjoy your car!

Huh? It was the same dyno both times. The original post was the dyno after street TUNING. I added the dyno results (same dyno) after dyno TUNING.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I thought you mentioned in the first post something about a Mustang dyno. So it was a street dyno? Anyway, not much of importance. The difference in the new dyno is still small. The Nameless header was giving the same or even better results a long time ago.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...98&postcount=1

But if you are happy with the gains in 3-4k rpm, who cares? Enjoy your car!

You just don't get it. Apples and oranges.

You cannot compare dynos that are not on the same dyno.

Just how OFT's "baseline" dyno is way higher than everyone else. Both of these are "about 200whp", but one is much slower than the other.

[Lantanafrs2]

Is that a more recent baseline from oft? I believe their shop car in the past baselined around 170

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You just don't get it. Apples and oranges.

What I don't get it? The post was comparing the Nameless with the Ace 350. Different dynos, but same headers. Not some random header like the OFH you referenced. I would never consider OFH a serious header. I also said that Justin's is better in mid range which is a fact for Ace. It is his car and if he likes it more, then it is what counts.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

What I don't get it? The post was comparing the Nameless with the Ace 350. Different dynos, but same headers. Not some random header like the OFH you referenced. I would never consider OFH a serious header. I also said that Justin's is better in mid range which is a fact for Ace. It is his car and if he likes it more, then it is what counts.

Case and point.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Is that a more recent baseline from oft? I believe their shop car in the past baselined around 170

Sure is.

Here's the two overlaid dynos, in their original forms. Most people conveniently ignore baselines, because they so desperately want to believe they hit that magic 200whp NA.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Case and point.

Haha you are funny.

[gutbuster]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Sure is.

Here's the two overlaid dynos, in their original forms. Most people conveniently ignore baselines, because they so desperately want to believe they hit that magic 200whp NA.

A set of curves on a graph should have a legend identifying what the three colors represent. Should I assume this is stock, tune +93 octane and tune + E85 on the same car? I just want to make sure I am interpreting the DT supplied chart correctly.

[Lantanafrs2]

I think we can suffice it to say that the ace is the best solution but not the only solution. My car makes a stocker feel weak and I'm running a much lower budget tune/header combo.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by gutbuster

A set of curves on a graph should have a legend identifying what the three colors represent. Should I assume this is stock, tune +93 octane and tune + E85 on the same car? I just want to make sure I am interpreting the DT supplied chart correctly.

OFH:

- 17 stock
- 17 + 91 tune
- 17 + 91 tune + OFH
- 17 + E85 tune + OFH

DT

- 17 stock
- 17 + 91 tune + Ace
- 17 + flex tune + Ace

Note how one set of graphs conveniently scales to have a barely 200whp number.