Toyota rules out GT 86 hybrid due to projected lack of demand

[FRSupra]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

it becomes a no brainer to offer a high performance version of it since it's become one of the biggest tuner cars in the past 10 years.

Aftermarket support or popularity of a certain vehicle as a "tuner car" is irrelevant in this context. The 86 was built as a lightweight, superb handling NA true sports car, a high performance version is not only not needed, but it's not wanted, at least by the people who love this car for what it is.

If you want a higher performance RWD Japanese coupe, then I would recommend the 370Z.

And I don't want to hear anything about it being too heavy, because that is what power does, adds weight. Bigger engine, more weight. That's exactly what you're asking for. You want power well there it is. If you want lightweight handling then the 86 is for you.

[Jonsey]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

If you want a higher performance RWD Japanese coupe, then I would recommend the 370Z.

And I don't want to hear anything about it being too heavy, because that is what power does, adds weight. Bigger engine, more weight. That's exactly what you're asking for. You want power well there it is. If you want lightweight handling then the 86 is for you.

Unfortunately, this argument is not true in all circumstances. There have been several cars produced with more power than the BRZ that are lighter. Also, to add a supercharger/turbo to this car does not add much weight. I want a more powerful, lightweight handling car and the 86 can be this. There are a number of people who have built theirs to do this, some of us just want that option from the factory and would be willing to pay for it.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Aftermarket support or popularity of a certain vehicle as a "tuner car" is irrelevant in this context. The 86 was built as a lightweight, superb handling NA true sports car, a high performance version is not only not needed, but it's not wanted, at least by the people who love this car for what it is.

If you want a higher performance RWD Japanese coupe, then I would recommend the 370Z.

And I don't want to hear anything about it being too heavy, because that is what power does, adds weight. Bigger engine, more weight. That's exactly what you're asking for. You want power well there it is. If you want lightweight handling then the 86 is for you.

I am so sick of this argument, everyone getting butt hurt when you say the car is slow. These same people are those who have never operated the car in a competitive fashion for more than 10 minutes.

Not once did I say, get rid of the NA pile. Add another trim level like most manufacturers do. Adding a high performance model. STI, TRD whatever is common sense.

155WHP is not enough for a "sports car" of this generation for those who use the car for track etc. The chassis can easily handle an additional power without ruining balance. I tell this to the people I meet at events who complain about modding etc. Once they drive the car and see the potential the opinions change very fast. So if aftermarket can do it properly OEM should have zero issues.

I am glad they dumped the hybrid idea, its the last thing they need to do is add anymore complications to the car in terms of drivetrain, ECU, and battery nonsense.

[jjaisli]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Aftermarket support or popularity of a certain vehicle as a "tuner car" is irrelevant in this context. The 86 was built as a lightweight, superb handling NA true sports car, a high performance version is not only not needed, but it's not wanted, at least by the people who love this car for what it is.

If you want a higher performance RWD Japanese coupe, then I would recommend the 370Z.

And I don't want to hear anything about it being too heavy, because that is what power does, adds weight. Bigger engine, more weight. That's exactly what you're asking for. You want power well there it is. If you want lightweight handling then the 86 is for you.

I think the point that @Dezoris is trying to make, is that speed and power and stats and perception sell cars. And if they launched a 2.5 liter or turbo or supercharged version of this car, from the factory with say, 250~280 hp, without a huge bump in cost or complexity, they would suddenly sell a LOT more of them. Because the perception out there is that this car is 'slow'.

We can make all the arguments we want about it's Zen like balance of power and handling. But speed sells.

EDIT: Or I can just wait for him to respond himself.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by jjaisli

I think the point that @Dezoris is trying to make, is that speed and power and stats and perception sell cars. And if they launched a 2.5 liter or turbo or supercharged version of this car, from the factory with say, 250~280 hp, without a huge bump in cost or complexity, they would suddenly sell a LOT more of them. Because the perception out there is that this car is 'slow'.

We can make all the arguments we want about it's Zen like balance of power and handling. But speed sells.

EDIT: Or I can just wait for him to respond himself.

People who like sports car generally care about HP. As it pertains to this car HP can be added as you said with boring out the motor, adding FI with a minimal weight penalty namely when they add supporting items such as lighter brakes, wheels etc.

Is it all going to add cost, absolutely but how many people on this forum have spent at least 3k on nonsense already.

[jjaisli]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Is it all going to add cost, absolutely but how many people on this forum have spent at least 3k on nonsense already.

TRD CAI
TRD Catback Exhuast
Lighter wheels
Open Flash Tablet
Catless UEL header

Guilty

I wouldn't call it 'nonsense' though. For me personally, the power isn't bad. I just didn't like the torque dip and the above steps pretty much eliminates it. And adds a bit of oopmf up top. Enough to notice. Which is nice. I think if the powertrain was like this from the factory I would have left it stock.

(Just waiting for somebody to tell me I don't know how to drive it or keep it in the power band)

[LadyFRZ]

First of all,what's that little white car under the new supra in OP?



Gt86 better still be built, I still need one! Plus with all the added competition rising (Kia, Nissan), it'd be dumb not to play a role in bringing back the RWD.

I dunno,it'd be kinda funny to see a hybrid gt86. Prius tires, hybrid gt86..Harhar.

[johnnyfast11]

OP stop posting waste of time threads. seriously.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

Aftermarket support or popularity of a certain vehicle as a "tuner car" is irrelevant in this context. The 86 was built as a lightweight, superb handling NA true sports car, a high performance version is not only not needed, but it's not wanted, at least by the people who love this car for what it is.

If you want a higher performance RWD Japanese coupe, then I would recommend the 370Z.

And I don't want to hear anything about it being too heavy, because that is what power does, adds weight. Bigger engine, more weight. That's exactly what you're asking for. You want power well there it is. If you want lightweight handling then the 86 is for you.

Uh, no. Not at all. Repeating this over and over won't make it any more true. The 370z is heavy because its built on the same platform as Nissan's luxury sedans. It is meant to be a bigger, compromised, semi-luxurious GT sort of car, not a pure sports car. Just because no lightweight, affordable RWD coupes/roadsters with power exist right now doesn't mean that they can't. I repeat, again, Silvia, RX7, S2000.

[Levi]

GT86 successor "will be", direct or indirect (hybrid), but very unlikely built like the current one, using Subaru platform and Subaru engine.

[Lavalover]

Evidently there are a lot of folks that have no idea what hybrid technology applied to a sports car can provide. Electric motors are torque monsters. If you combine an electric motor with a gasoline engine you (can) have low end torque with high end horsepower. Possibly, this would be expensive and difficult. But certainly not a bad thing if it could be done.


Let's loose the Prius mentality. Think more along the lines of the 918.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by johnnyfast11

OP stop posting waste of time threads. seriously.

Excuse you? I'm contributing and sharing news with the forum.

I'm one of the original members that have contributed a lot to this forum since the beginning.

Who the hell are you? Some newbie thats thinks they're all bad ass.

Please do us a flavor and STFU and stop trolling.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by LadyFRZ

First of all,what's that little white car under the new supra in OP?

It's the 2011 TES Concept T-Sports.

Its said to be a very early preview of the sub 86 car.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...aby-ft-86.html

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

It's the 2011 TES Concept T-Sports.

Its said to be a very early preview of the sub 86 car.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...aby-ft-86.html

That thing looks extremely S2000-with-a-hard-top-ish.

Is this the MR2 successor? Mid-engine?