2015 Model FRS suspension changes - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

SeanRTR · 05-15-2014, 09:19 PM

Does anyone have any specifics regarding the 2015 FRS suspension changes? They've said changes will be made to improve the "stability" of the handling. I assume decreased dampening in the rear and maybe stiffer front springs, but does anyone know exactly what has changed?

speargunsandracecars · 05-15-2014, 10:16 PM

Nothing specific yet. But I personally think that Toyota decided to outfit the FRS with the BRZ's superior(IMO) shock/spring setup. You know, to prevent idiots from wrapping their brand new cars around unsuspecting trees.

Ro_Ja · 05-15-2014, 10:58 PM

The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.

ayau · 05-16-2014, 12:02 AM

Probably just the bolts.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64039

nikitopo · 05-16-2014, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ro_Ja

The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.

Correct.

wparsons · 05-16-2014, 10:28 AM

The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars.

My car on stock springs but stickier tires was definitely easier to get pushing than to get it to spin when driven properly (ie not hammering on the gas mid corner). On the Swift FRS rate springs it's even easier to get it pushing, even on a wet skidpad.

speargunsandracecars · 05-16-2014, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars.

My car on stock springs but stickier tires was definitely easier to get pushing than to get it to spin when driven properly (ie not hammering on the gas mid corner). On the Swift FRS rate springs it's even easier to get it pushing, even on a wet skidpad.

Definitely agree with that. However, compared to most cars on the road, the Twins are significantly easier to induce oversteer. Even more so with the FRS. Pair it with economy tires, and it's a recipe for disaster with wannabe drifters. While I don't agree with Toyota's decision to neuter the FRS' suspension, I understand the need for them to cover their asses. It was bound to happen. Remember the AP1 S2000?

Hanakuso · 05-16-2014, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ro_Ja

The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.

Where did you get the info on the Sachs dampers?

ayau · 05-16-2014, 01:56 PM

I have a feeling the changes over time will be similar to the S2000s. Just small changes to the springs/dampers but the chassis/engine will remain the same.

ayau · 05-16-2014, 01:57 PM

Just FYI, MY2014 models already use the updated bolts. If you call your local Subaru parts dealer, the MY2014 models will have different part numbers compared to the MY2013. I forgot to ask if the dampers and springs were the same though.

Boxer486 · 05-16-2014, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayau

Just FYI, MY2014 models already use the updated bolts. If you call your local Subaru parts dealer, the MY2014 models will have different part numbers compared to the MY2013. I forgot to ask if the dampers and springs were the same though.

Can they get them?

jvincent · 05-16-2014, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

The FRS' don't spin because of their spring rates, they spin because people don't know how to drive RWD cars

Where is our dear departed Suberman when we need him!

Dadhawk · 05-16-2014, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speargunsandracecars

Nothing specific yet. But I personally think that Toyota decided to outfit the FRS with the BRZ's superior(IMO) shock/spring setup. You know, to prevent idiots from wrapping their brand new cars around unsuspecting trees.

But wait, that is why I wanted the FR-S to begin with...I hate unsuspecting trees. Always in the middle of the road, just standing there....

skyloran · 05-16-2014, 03:28 PM

that is sick.

05-16-2014, 03:28 PM	#14
skyloran Honeydew old ID Join Date: May 2014 Drives: GT86 Location: California Posts: 222 Thanks: 7 Thanked 43 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	that is sick. __________________ Used to owned M3 and Lotus, but love my GT86 the most.

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05-15-2014, 10:16 PM	#2
speargunsandracecars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2014 BRZ Location: Southern Pines/Triangle, NC Posts: 150 Thanks: 1 Thanked 92 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nothing specific yet. But I personally think that Toyota decided to outfit the FRS with the BRZ's superior(IMO) shock/spring setup. You know, to prevent idiots from wrapping their brand new cars around unsuspecting trees.

05-15-2014, 10:58 PM	#3
Ro_Ja Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: TOYOTA Location: CA Posts: 401 Thanks: 191 Thanked 225 Times in 134 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The dampers are now made by Sachs (replaces Showa, IIRC) and the redesigned suspension bolts.

05-16-2014, 12:02 AM	#4
ayau Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Some rust bucket Location: Polar ice cap Posts: 3,058 Thanks: 312 Thanked 1,045 Times in 556 Posts Mentioned: 37 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Probably just the bolts. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64039

05-16-2014, 01:56 PM	#9
ayau Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Some rust bucket Location: Polar ice cap Posts: 3,058 Thanks: 312 Thanked 1,045 Times in 556 Posts Mentioned: 37 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have a feeling the changes over time will be similar to the S2000s. Just small changes to the springs/dampers but the chassis/engine will remain the same.

05-16-2014, 01:57 PM	#10
ayau Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: Some rust bucket Location: Polar ice cap Posts: 3,058 Thanks: 312 Thanked 1,045 Times in 556 Posts Mentioned: 37 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just FYI, MY2014 models already use the updated bolts. If you call your local Subaru parts dealer, the MY2014 models will have different part numbers compared to the MY2013. I forgot to ask if the dampers and springs were the same though.

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