follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Delicious Tuning
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Off-Topic Discussions > Site Announcements / Questions / Issues


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-14-2019, 07:52 PM   #1
Impureclient
Your Mom is my Dad
 
Impureclient's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2015 FR-S
Location: NPR, Florida
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 1,374
Thanked 2,246 Times in 1,045 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Classified scammer problem in here?

Are the Classifieds being perpetrated by higher than normal scammers as of lately? I'm trying to sell something and it seems like everybody wants to send money with Paypal.
When I question that method and give alternatives that are both safer and cheaper, they ghost me. I've already had several incidents in the past with Paypal and lost enough
money not want to use Paypal any more.

I certainly don't trust Paypal and even more when somebody is new in here and comes in to buy from the Classified with no or low post count.The transactions in here are soley based
on a mutual trust for seller and buyer since it is all being done off an official purchasing site like Ebay with a little bit of protection.

I always offer any info needed to ensure I am safe to deal with. I am willing to offer that in the form of giving any personal info including proof of having other accounts on other
websites with classifieds that I use(all with 100% positive feedback), home address, personal business number used for the last 20+ years, Ebay account info, or anything to make the
buyer at ease since I am not just sending this out until I am paid.

Am I just being too cautious?
Impureclient is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Impureclient For This Useful Post:
why? (04-15-2019)
Old 04-14-2019, 08:25 PM   #2
Yoshoobaroo
Torque BuffaloChicken Dip
 
Yoshoobaroo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Drives: 2013 BRZ
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,418
Thanks: 678
Thanked 1,003 Times in 558 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Classified scammer problem in here?

PayPal is the de facto internet currency. I've never NOT used PayPal for anything on a forum classifieds section. It has both buyer and seller protection, so not sure why you don't trust it. Forum posts and PMs leave a paper trail if there's a dispute, which you'd file with PayPal.
Yoshoobaroo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Yoshoobaroo For This Useful Post:
CSG Mike (08-16-2019), Thedishdoc (04-16-2019), wparsons (06-27-2019)
Old 04-14-2019, 08:50 PM   #3
soundman98
Boost is Whack. N/A4LYFE
 
soundman98's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Drives: '14 brz limited
Location: chicagolandia
Posts: 2,382
Thanks: 3,916
Thanked 1,713 Times in 1,032 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
^what he said. honestly, i don't know what other service i could even use online. i feel doing a bank transfer is shaky at best, mailing a check is also shady...

i suspect they ghost you because they don't know what else they can do.
__________________
my '14 brz limited "the return to normal" (or is it?)
led mods-10%(planning/designing/sitting on hands)audio mods-99%(done is never done)

hidplanet build log
soundman98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 09:53 PM   #4
Impureclient
Your Mom is my Dad
 
Impureclient's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2015 FR-S
Location: NPR, Florida
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 1,374
Thanked 2,246 Times in 1,045 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Maybe Paypal has fixed issues from the past. This is going back like 20+years ago but...
First issue I bought a $200 lens and it wasn't as described so I immediately sent it back to exactly where it came from, a camera shop in NY city. They received it and even signed for it.
Then somehow said they never did get it even though it was signed for in the end, I got screwed out of the money from Paypal for that after they somehow convinced all parties involved (that make decisions on what happened and what to do to fix it) that they never got the lens back. Still don't know how they pulled that one off.
Then I sent a camera to a buyer on Ebay and they used Paypal to send the money. I received the money, transferred it from Paypal to my bank account and sent the camera. Then a few days(4-5) later Paypal says the card used for Paypal to buy the camera was a stolen card and they want the money back. Well I already sent the camera to scammer person who had all the needed info to send it so...too bad, it's my money now.
I stopped using Paypal after that for like 15 years until a couple years ago on some small purchases on Ebay to test if my Paypal was still working. They must have forgot the whole thing or just wrote it off because they didn't try getting the money from me even though they were the ones who fell for the scam which prompted me to send off the camera.

So anyway... I have an app in my Bank of America phone called Zelle that is basically a transfer from anybody to me with no fees involved. They way I look at it, if I give everything available to ensure I am safe to sell or buy from, I wait til I receive funds and then send the item. It works with gun parts so it should work with car parts. In fact, last item I sold a couple weeks ago was a money order to me and then after cashing it to make sure it's for real, I send the gun part. If the buyer and seller trust each other then something like Zelle is perfectly fine. I'm sure there has to be other applications similar to Zelle out there. I mean what has Paypal been around for , like 30 years. SOmebody has had to figure out how to do it better without charging high fees. I also don't trust a check or money order much either but if they are cashed and money is in hand, then they are fine to me.

As I said maybe Paypal is better at doing the job they are supposed to do and are better at arbitrating a scenario like I went through in the past with scammers. I just don't want to send off the item and midway or after it being shipped, I get a notification that I don't get to keep the funds for the purchase. I guess filing the box with the item in it being taped shut at the counter of UPS and them taking it and walking out of the building would suffice but I don't trust anybody unless they give all the same info I give. I figure, if I am willing to pretty much give every possible way I've conducted business on the internet and it's all positive and also give my personal business info that I've owned and rely on to make a living for 20+ years that mainly relies on my reputation, then the buyer should feel safe with sending the money first and preferably in a way that they can't play any funny games like do a chargeback after the item is sent.
Impureclient is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-14-2019, 10:06 PM   #5
StraightOuttaCanadaEh
Wes
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: 2017 Toyota 86
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,075
Thanks: 732
Thanked 1,004 Times in 645 Posts
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
You're just being paranoid. If shipping is involved, Paypal is the only option I'd consider. In person - cash or e-transfer.
__________________
Instagram: @gt86wes
StraightOuttaCanadaEh is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to StraightOuttaCanadaEh For This Useful Post:
FRSBRZGT86FAN (04-15-2019), wparsons (06-27-2019)
Old 04-15-2019, 07:46 AM   #6
why?
Only happy when it rains.
 
why?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: series.blue
Location: Harnett county NC
Posts: 1,676
Thanks: 3,983
Thanked 924 Times in 581 Posts
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
paypal sucks, but it is generally the only thing most people will use.
why? is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 09:39 AM   #7
Soloside
-Phil's BIGGEST FAN BOI
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Drives: Greddy620z BRZ
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 635
Thanks: 18
Thanked 185 Times in 122 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Impureclient View Post
Maybe Paypal has fixed issues from the past. This is going back like 20+years ago but...
First issue I bought a $200 lens and it wasn't as described so I immediately sent it back to exactly where it came from, a camera shop in NY city. They received it and even signed for it.
Then somehow said they never did get it even though it was signed for in the end, I got screwed out of the money from Paypal for that after they somehow convinced all parties involved (that make decisions on what happened and what to do to fix it) that they never got the lens back. Still don't know how they pulled that one off.
Then I sent a camera to a buyer on Ebay and they used Paypal to send the money. I received the money, transferred it from Paypal to my bank account and sent the camera. Then a few days(4-5) later Paypal says the card used for Paypal to buy the camera was a stolen card and they want the money back. Well I already sent the camera to scammer person who had all the needed info to send it so...too bad, it's my money now.
I stopped using Paypal after that for like 15 years until a couple years ago on some small purchases on Ebay to test if my Paypal was still working. They must have forgot the whole thing or just wrote it off because they didn't try getting the money from me even though they were the ones who fell for the scam which prompted me to send off the camera.

So anyway... I have an app in my Bank of America phone called Zelle that is basically a transfer from anybody to me with no fees involved. They way I look at it, if I give everything available to ensure I am safe to sell or buy from, I wait til I receive funds and then send the item. It works with gun parts so it should work with car parts. In fact, last item I sold a couple weeks ago was a money order to me and then after cashing it to make sure it's for real, I send the gun part. If the buyer and seller trust each other then something like Zelle is perfectly fine. I'm sure there has to be other applications similar to Zelle out there. I mean what has Paypal been around for , like 30 years. SOmebody has had to figure out how to do it better without charging high fees. I also don't trust a check or money order much either but if they are cashed and money is in hand, then they are fine to me.

As I said maybe Paypal is better at doing the job they are supposed to do and are better at arbitrating a scenario like I went through in the past with scammers. I just don't want to send off the item and midway or after it being shipped, I get a notification that I don't get to keep the funds for the purchase. I guess filing the box with the item in it being taped shut at the counter of UPS and them taking it and walking out of the building would suffice but I don't trust anybody unless they give all the same info I give. I figure, if I am willing to pretty much give every possible way I've conducted business on the internet and it's all positive and also give my personal business info that I've owned and rely on to make a living for 20+ years that mainly relies on my reputation, then the buyer should feel safe with sending the money first and preferably in a way that they can't play any funny games like do a chargeback after the item is sent.




FYI, every time you use any form of card payment, there's a fee charged to the merchant that's associated with it. I hope you know this.


The fee that paypal charges is 3% to protect the buyer/seller.


Once with zelle, if you sent it out and let's say something gets lost during shipment or someone just straight up scams you, your bank won't approve any claims on that (Zelle/Cash app/Venmo)
__________________
2014 Subaru BRZ
Greddy T620z | Rallybacker v2 | HKS Dual Resonated FP | MXP SP Quads | Volk TE37v2
Soloside is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Soloside For This Useful Post:
wparsons (06-27-2019)
Old 04-15-2019, 10:08 AM   #8
Impureclient
Your Mom is my Dad
 
Impureclient's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2015 FR-S
Location: NPR, Florida
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 1,374
Thanked 2,246 Times in 1,045 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Soloside View Post

Once with zelle, if you sent it out and let's say something gets lost during shipment or someone just straight up scams you, your bank won't approve any claims on that (Zelle/Cash app/Venmo)
So pretty much exactly what happened with Paypal then. Paypal doesn't care about much except the money they get during the transaction, they aren't much of an arbitrator. Losing almost $1K using their service in the past taught me that already.

If Zelle is used, the money can't be taken back by a scammer once they approve the transaction. UPS/Fedex/DHL/USPS all have insurance to cover lost/damaged shipments so that's not even an issue.
Not to get deeper into how they suck and this is just anecdotal but my stepfather sells custom built machinery online and has dealt with the same situations with Paypal also. That's why whenever I sell something I make sure funds have cleared and are in my hand in the form of cash after which ever method was used.

It might be not such a 50/50 situation, and I'm repeating myself here but, giving so much personal information out kind of ensures that I will hold up my end of the bargaining. I guess since I am not ever the one actually buying from somebody else and the one who would be giving the money over first, I haven't seen an issue with how I've conducted online transactions which is send money then send item after funds are cleared. I never have bought anything used online and never will. If I want something, I will always wait til I can afford it new or I don't buy.

Any way, I decided to try Paypal this go around and see what transpires. If this goes sour then I guess I'll stop using Paypal for another 20 years and see if they can get it right after that.
Impureclient is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 10:19 AM   #9
ls1ac
Senior Member
 
ls1ac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: BRZ, Noble M400, AC-LS7,1956 AC
Location: Wi/Fl
Posts: 516
Thanks: 133
Thanked 337 Times in 193 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Sad world.
My son just bought a screen cover from Whitestone for his new S10. Never got it. Whitestone said the post office said they left it on the porch so it was my sons fault and he had to file a claim, post office says it was delivered so he has to prove he did not get it and all of the shipping info needs to be supplied. Paypal says not their problem.
When we shipped we were responsible if not delivered.
Every one is passing the buck.
ls1ac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 10:42 AM   #10
Impureclient
Your Mom is my Dad
 
Impureclient's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2015 FR-S
Location: NPR, Florida
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 1,374
Thanked 2,246 Times in 1,045 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1ac View Post
Sad world.
My son just bought a screen cover from Whitestone for his new S10. Never got it. Whitestone said the post office said they left it on the porch so it was my sons fault and he had to file a claim, post office says it was delivered so he has to prove he did not get it and all of the shipping info needs to be supplied. Paypal says not their problem.
When we shipped we were responsible if not delivered.
Every one is passing the buck.
Yeah, I figured I am going to pull out my phone when I'm at the shipper and film it in the box, being taped shut, them puting the label on it and me walking out the door to cover myself. Once it's in their hands, then it's covered by the shippers insurance if lost/stolen. That's why I make sure to put the actual value of the transaction's item if it comes down to that. If the item is $400 new and I put a value of $200 since it's used, if it comes to getting back money if lost/stolen, I would think they'd just pay the $200 and be happy with that. For myself in receiving items, having cameras covering the whole front of the house insures nobody can play the " I left it at the front door game" with me. It would either be filmed dropped off or being stolen off the porch so no funny games.
Impureclient is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 10:46 AM   #11
Tcoat
He who smelt it...
 
Tcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 14 FRS Hot Lava
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 56,717
Thanks: 50,327
Thanked 79,416 Times in 35,866 Posts
Mentioned: 2053 Post(s)
Tagged: 49 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Impureclient View Post
Are the Classifieds being perpetrated by higher than normal scammers as of lately? I'm trying to sell something and it seems like everybody wants to send money with Paypal.
When I question that method and give alternatives that are both safer and cheaper, they ghost me. I've already had several incidents in the past with Paypal and lost enough
money not want to use Paypal any more.

I certainly don't trust Paypal and even more when somebody is new in here and comes in to buy from the Classified with no or low post count.The transactions in here are soley based
on a mutual trust for seller and buyer since it is all being done off an official purchasing site like Ebay with a little bit of protection.

I always offer any info needed to ensure I am safe to deal with. I am willing to offer that in the form of giving any personal info including proof of having other accounts on other
websites with classifieds that I use(all with 100% positive feedback), home address, personal business number used for the last 20+ years, Ebay account info, or anything to make the
buyer at ease since I am not just sending this out until I am paid.

Am I just being too cautious?
The ironic part is that Paypal is the preferred method of buying because it tends to protect the buyer more than the seller. Many of the guys that disappeared when you said you wouldn't take Paypal were probably scared off because they thought YOU were scamming.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1ac View Post
Sad world.
My son just bought a screen cover from Whitestone for his new S10. Never got it. Whitestone said the post office said they left it on the porch so it was my sons fault and he had to file a claim, post office says it was delivered so he has to prove he did not get it and all of the shipping info needs to be supplied. Paypal says not their problem.
When we shipped we were responsible if not delivered.
Every one is passing the buck.
It is unfortunate but the post office is not required to ensure that a parcel sent by general mail get's into your hands but just to the address. I always pay the bit extra to ensure that a signature is required since this forces them to actually meet a person. Any parcel sent general is not the problem of the seller, shipper nor Paypal since in all probability it was indeed stolen from the delivery point.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
Tcoat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post:
Dadhawk (04-15-2019), jcw99 (08-18-2019), wparsons (06-27-2019)
Old 04-15-2019, 10:56 AM   #12
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 9,527
Thanks: 722
Thanked 4,900 Times in 2,222 Posts
Mentioned: 205 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo View Post
PayPal is the de facto internet currency. I've never NOT used PayPal for anything on a forum classifieds section. It has both buyer and seller protection, so not sure why you don't trust it. Forum posts and PMs leave a paper trail if there's a dispute, which you'd file with PayPal.
Actually it's incredibly easy to be scammed through Paypal. They favor the buyer in basically every transaction. Buyer files claim saying they were sent a box of rocks, sends picture of a box of rocks from their backyard, seller says that's not true the item was shipped, paypal closes in favor of the buyer because the seller didn't have any REAL proof of the item being shipped.

Sadly it happens all the time. I still use paypal because it's the commonly accepted way to do internet sales but it's far from safe for a seller.
__________________
-Dave
HPDE/DD: 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE || HPDE/DD: 2015 Subaru BRZ ||Tow Vehicle: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 8.1L || Weekend toy: 1994 MR2 Turbo || The other weekend toy: 1993 MR2 Turbo || Track car: 1998 Integra Type-R || Race car: 1996 Integra GS-R || New race car build: 1992 Honda Civic Hatchback || Oh yeah and a 2013 Scion FR-S too..

Too many cars.. never.
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 10:59 AM   #13
Dave-ROR
Site Moderator
 
Dave-ROR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Drives: Stuff
Location: Florida
Posts: 9,527
Thanks: 722
Thanked 4,900 Times in 2,222 Posts
Mentioned: 205 Post(s)
Tagged: 8 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1ac View Post
Sad world.
My son just bought a screen cover from Whitestone for his new S10. Never got it. Whitestone said the post office said they left it on the porch so it was my sons fault and he had to file a claim, post office says it was delivered so he has to prove he did not get it and all of the shipping info needs to be supplied. Paypal says not their problem.
When we shipped we were responsible if not delivered.
Every one is passing the buck.
I have one.. whitestone hasn't replied to my RMA request because I bought the wrong one. At this point I'm kind of over whitestone lol
__________________
-Dave
HPDE/DD: 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE || HPDE/DD: 2015 Subaru BRZ ||Tow Vehicle: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 8.1L || Weekend toy: 1994 MR2 Turbo || The other weekend toy: 1993 MR2 Turbo || Track car: 1998 Integra Type-R || Race car: 1996 Integra GS-R || New race car build: 1992 Honda Civic Hatchback || Oh yeah and a 2013 Scion FR-S too..

Too many cars.. never.
Dave-ROR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2019, 11:00 AM   #14
Impureclient
Your Mom is my Dad
 
Impureclient's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Drives: 2015 FR-S
Location: NPR, Florida
Posts: 2,089
Thanks: 1,374
Thanked 2,246 Times in 1,045 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat View Post
Many of the guys that disappeared when you said you wouldn't take Paypal were probably scared off because they thought YOU were scamming.
"I am the scammer"!!!....




Maybe I did scare them off but, that's why I offered so much info so they could see that I wasn't. If I gave all my online accounts where I sell items including here and they are all 100% positive along with any personal info that included my own business info, I thought that would put anybody at ease. Pretty sure I have a buyer now though after I initially scared everybody off.
Impureclient is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Jhon19lopez is a scammer ldanphanl User/Vendor/Sponsor Reviews, Feedback, Comments 156 01-27-2017 10:29 PM
Scammer allowed second try? Impureclient Site Announcements / Questions / Issues 6 11-28-2015 09:30 PM
Cmullen Scammer Tr1huynh User/Vendor/Sponsor Reviews, Feedback, Comments 17 07-14-2015 05:00 PM
what can i do for the scammer? dennispang103 Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 26 05-02-2013 05:01 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.