09-08-2012, 06:57 AM | #1345 |
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09-08-2012, 09:05 AM | #1346 | |
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Comparing one car on inferior tires tells you nothing about how it REALLY stacks up. One car on Primacy HPs vs another on Pirelli PZero Neros is simply not a valid comparison. Serious comparisons of motorcycles pretty much always put them all on the same make/model tire for this reason. They want to compare the BIKES. Simple concept to anyone who knows squat about vehicle performance, really... |
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Shocks? I'll wager that two same-model cars, one on blown factory struts and racing tires will annihilate one on Penske double-adjustable, remote reservoir Jesus shocks and stock tires in any contest of speed. Plus again, tires take an hour to change. Shocks require a few hours plus an alignment.
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and just because i became curious, tires (255 rs3) and an alignment dropped about 5 sec off of buttonwillow (2:12 with just brake pads) and asts dropped another 3.xx seconds with zero adjustments and that lap had "3 big mistakes" they say that it could be a sup 2 min setup once they have it fine tuned |
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The Shocks have a OEM part number on them and the tires don't. That's the difference. Go look at a used car. If the owner changed the tires (to OEM size equivalent) is the car "modified"? No it isn't. If the owner changed the shocks to aftermarket (not OEM) is the car considered "modified", yes it is. Changing the shock changes how the car rides, how the car feels... they change "the car". Also it's another non-sequitur to make the argument that because of the rules of a racing class "stock class" or "other", allows you to make certain changes to the car isn't a viable counter argument. I race in a production class yet I'm allowed to change shocks, gut the car, add a cage, change the FD in the tranny etc etc etc... Ridiculous to make that argument that if I did all these things are on par with just changing tires. Once again, your conclusion is not supported by the premise. Fatoni I think I need a FT86 Forum award for "rustling jimmies" for 4 pages now! This is almost a troll record I would imagine. That's it. I'm starting a new thread with a poll. |
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What is "stock"? The GT 86 with Michelin Primacy HP? The GT 86 with Bridgestone Turanza EL400? With whatever tires the dealer decides to equip the car?
If I buy a GT 86 and it comes equipped with Bridgestone Turanza, and I decide to change those to Michelin Primacy HP, does it means my car is no longer "stock"? |
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So we can still strictly follow @fatoni's "mandate" of comparing on stock everything and, guess what, the tires don't have to be the 17" Prius tires. Regardless, there is a globally common sentiment among objective, non-86-fanboy enthusiasts that the FR-S excels over the Z and other cars in its class in certain ways even with Prius tires. Their integrity (which holds more water than the anonymous posters yapping on this thread) rides on this sentiment.
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frs/brz & genesis>370z thread closed
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New thread started regarding this tire(d) subject. Please post there and vote so folks can get back to talking about the 370z.
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Interesting. Since when has "changing tires" become mods? Some ppl need to get their heads straight.
And this... is the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. If you want to say the Twins handle better than 370Z, it's a valid argument, but to say Gen coupe is better, you need to be out of your mind. Gen coupe has been reviewed and criticized million times for its crappy and inaccurate gearbox, and its terrible ride and handling as well. Just how is that better than 370Z? |
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I guess I just don't want that at this point in my life. I want something that hits a number of performance benchmarks out of the box with room to grow. I guess I'm still where I was from the start: If Toyota offers a more powerful, sport package version, I want it (once they fix the cam issues...) I have to say, tho', I am very impressed with how much room to grow the car has. It almost defies belief. Also -- now we know that the Gazoo twincharged car (the one I want!) probably has a stock motor. That's amazing! |
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