SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[engee]

At Laloosh defense, I ran there that day as well. The lot was just resealed that week and the pavement was harsh. Because the lot was just resealed that week and not yet cured, I wouldn't necessarily say that the data would be that useful. Just my 0.02 cents though.

I personally was having a ton of issues with understeer and push. Laloosh drove very well that day considering that his car is not fully prepped yet. There's always gonna be more time out there though. It's just a matter of finding it.

I do have a question for you CS guys though. After the most recent event, my car felt absolutely atrocious (pushed like a pig). I think I'm running too big of a front bar (whiteline 22mm adjustable on full soft). Been thinking about changing to 20mm whiteline adjustable. Anybody here have experience with that bar and how did it feel?

Thanks for the input in advance!

[vroom4]

I dont think you should go changing your car based on one event. Where did it push at? Corner entry, mid corner, or exit.

The trick that helped me was completely unhooking the front bar (or in my case snapping it) and see how the car handles. Then you will really know what the bar does.

[engee]

Originally Posted by vroom4

I dont think you should go changing your car based on one event. Where did it push at? Corner entry, mid corner, or exit.

The trick that helped me was completely unhooking the front bar (or in my case snapping it) and see how the car handles. Then you will really know what the bar does.

Car was pushing in entry and mid corner. Prior to the lot being sealed, I had the car dialed in and not really that big of an issue. Now it just pushes. Front shocks were set at full soft to try and mitigate push. Eventually had to go to pressures of F33 and R43 to get rid of the understeer.

I'm still learning and need to get faster but I feel that general consensus is controlled oversteer is quicker. I've been debating going to a smaller bar for a while. Just really confused on what to do after that one event.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by engee

At Laloosh defense, I ran there that day as well. The lot was just resealed that week and the pavement was harsh. Because the lot was just resealed that week and not yet cured, I wouldn't necessarily say that the data would be that useful. Just my 0.02 cents though.

I personally was having a ton of issues with understeer and push. Laloosh drove very well that day considering that his car is not fully prepped yet. There's always gonna be more time out there though. It's just a matter of finding it.

I do have a question for you CS guys though. After the most recent event, my car felt absolutely atrocious (pushed like a pig). I think I'm running too big of a front bar (whiteline 22mm adjustable on full soft). Been thinking about changing to 20mm whiteline adjustable. Anybody here have experience with that bar and how did it feel?

Thanks for the input in advance!

First, I don't think Laloosh needs to be defended. I was not critiquing his run, I was critiquing his belief that he couldn't have taken another second off his time with a perfect run. I hope he is not offended because non of what I said was meant to be malicious, just trying to state that you have to keep an open mind about the difference between a good run and a perfect run.

Second, I run the Whiteline 20mm bar on full soft and I still think it is a bit too stiff. One of the things I didn't like about it, and I am sure the 22mm could have the same problem, is that the bar didn't come very symmetrical. It appears to be a problem with a lot of bars and I am not sure it really affects anythings as long as you adjust the end links with the full weight on the car.

[engee]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

First, I don't think Laloosh needs to be defended. I was not critiquing his run, I was critiquing his belief that he couldn't have taken another second off his time with a perfect run. I hope he is not offended because non of what I said was meant to be malicious, just trying to state that you have to keep an open mind about the difference between a good run and a perfect run.

Second, I run the Whiteline 20mm bar on full soft and I still think it is a bit too stiff. One of the things I didn't like about it, and I am sure the 22mm could have the same problem, is that the bar didn't come very symmetrical. It appears to be a problem with a lot of bars and I am not sure it really affects anythings as long as you adjust the end links with the full weight on the car.

Thanks for the input. I think I might go back to stock for a bit, run the car again, and see what I want from there. Surprised to hear that you feel that the 20mm on full soft and you think it's too stiff. Glad I didn't do an impulse buy yet. haha

[qoncept]

I have the 22mm Whiteline bar too, and I think it was just a bit too big when I was on race tires. Now that I'm on street tires I definitely want to try a smaller bar. I doubt I'll go with Whiteline again, though.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by qoncept

I doubt I'll go with Whiteline again, though.

Mind sharing your experience?

[vroom4]

Every single setup I tried, F33 and F43 would lead to disaster oversteer. i think youve got an issue somewhere else as it would suprise me if the front bar could be THAT much too stuff. Go back to OEM before you decide which new bar to order.

[Biggins]

Wow, this blew up. Everyone must be antsy and just killing time at work this week before Lincoln. I'll be there Sunday night with my beer, and I'm anxious to see the data on how well people like some Natty Boh.

Safe travels and see you all on the practice course Monday!

[Kido1986]

Originally Posted by vroom4

Full soft is supposedly softer than the strano bar...?

This bar- http://www.revworksinc.com/Hotchkis-...R-S_p_672.html

It's 170% stiffer on soft than stock, Strano's is 85%. And it's not one of those crap Japanese manufacturer calling 70% as 170%, it's a legit increase of 170%. It's meant to be paired with their rear bar.

I have it still with VERY little usage on it, if someone wants it cheap at Lincoln.

Here's my ancient FS thread on it, I didn't push it very hard haha http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30420

[Kido1986]

Originally Posted by Biggins

Wow, this blew up. Everyone must be antsy and just killing time at work this week before Lincoln. I'll be there Sunday night with my beer, and I'm anxious to see the data on how well people like some Natty Boh.

Safe travels and see you all on the practice course Monday!

Right? Very anxious here.

[qoncept]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Mind sharing your experience?

Just the sentiment that the 20mm Whiteline bar is still too stiff more than anything.

I have had a pretty miserable experience with the 22mm bar - clunking that I've spent probably 30 hours to date trying to resolve, and have multiple times, but it keeps coming back for a different reason. But I don't have any delusions that another brand will be any better. Just crossing my fingers. I think I'll probably go with Strano.

More on my struggle here.. I have a clunk AGAIN, but it may be a loose plastic undertray or my exhaust. Sigh.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...07#post1786807

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by qoncept

Just the sentiment that the 20mm Whiteline bar is still too stiff more than anything.

I have had a pretty miserable experience with the 22mm bar - clunking that I've spent probably 30 hours to date trying to resolve, and have multiple times, but it keeps coming back for a different reason. But I don't have any delusions that another brand will be any better. Just crossing my fingers. I think I'll probably go with Strano.

More on my struggle here.. I have a clunk AGAIN, but it may be a loose plastic undertray or my exhaust. Sigh.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...07#post1786807

Very interesting... I have noticed a small clunk when I get a lot of droop travel, so not really on an autocross course but on rough roads. I figure it is from the uneven sway bar since one side gets very close to the lower control arm when the car is on jack stands. I should check for some of the other issues you are having though, thanks for the link. I think I will not worry about it until after Nats though.

[qoncept]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Very interesting... I have noticed a small clunk when I get a lot of droop travel, so not really on an autocross course but on rough roads. I figure it is from the uneven sway bar since one side gets very close to the lower control arm when the car is on jack stands. I should check for some of the other issues you are having though, thanks for the link. I think I will not worry about it until after Nats though.

Likewise, even though I'm not going to Nats. If you have a clunk like mine you'd more than just notice it, though. I'm sure some people could live with it but noises like this are why I finally decided I couldn't stand my WRX anymore (and why I'm in stock class instead of STX with ridiculous spring rates that shake the whole car apart).

The dumbest thing I found was just a loose nut on the sway bar side of the endlink, a sound you can probably imagine. The sad part is pretty much every other issue has sounded exactly the same.

Edit: Maybe worth nothing, the Whiteline bar is "inside-out" so you have to use aftermarket endlinks. I think, anyway. It's been a few days since I've looked at it.