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Old 02-25-2019, 09:27 PM   #1
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4 drivers, 1 car. Driving style differences?

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGa7oFl4YQI[/ame]

Video is 4k; you can watch each driver in 1080p.

What are the differences you notice, and the net result of those differences?
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Interesting that with as much control of the car as you have, that you tried to keep it extremely clean. Were you going a little easier on the car because it wasnt yours? I kind of get that vibe from looking at it.
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Interesting that with as much control of the car as you have, that you tried to keep it extremely clean. Were you going a little easier on the car because it wasnt yours? I kind of get that vibe from looking at it.
That's generally how i drive any car unless explicitly instructed to deviate from that.
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Ben seems still quite convinced that what's in front of him is not a windshield, but rather a computer screen. Too early to dive towards apex, so he then needs bigger inputs, and more mid-turn inputs, since he has to try and stay on the curbs longer. In addition to the frequent loss of forward drive from the too-much oversteer, he's also driving a longer route around the course. So, exciting, but slow, and a longer way around.

Most of the other folks are linking the whole turn/complex together. Their track-out spots are where the car ends up, rather than a point to be driven to with yet more steering input. Everyone else's inputs are smaller. In the chicanes, Ben is always some form of out of position for the second half. Over-drove the first and is too far to the inside, or straight-lined and out of position on exit. He then tries to make up for the botched exit with aggression.

Can't see for sure, But I'll bet he's not looking ahead. He's trying to make the front end do everything. He also doesn't seem to have a concept of the traction circle. Rather than get the weight to shift around, and balance it mid-turn with throttle, he's just brute-forcing a lot of it with steering angle.

Fil is just as aggressive, but because he places the car a bit better and with some more forethought, he turns good times. David doesn't seem to use as much slip angle as you. So, three different styles can produce similar times, but that doesn't mean that Ben's methods are going to produce good results.

What's gonna happen is sort of classic Days of Thunder. You guys go faster, while being easier on the equipment, and he's burning it all down while going slower.

Did he seem to think he had a light bulb go off after riding with you guys?
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