Innovate Stg1 Supercharger with W/M injection - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

sw20kosh · 06-24-2013, 01:42 PM

Since the official dyno charts are released I can share more specific details on my water/meth cooled stg. 1 kit.

Supercharger:

Innovate Stg. 1 Twin Screw "Complete" Kit (non-intercooled) - Carb Exemption Pending

Water/Meth Inj. Kit:

1.) Trunk mounted alcoholinjectionsystems.com stage 1 kit w/ 3gal tank
2.) AEM water/meth flow failsafe gauge and flow sensor
3.) Snow Performance supercharger bypass valve boost solenoid (to open the bypass when there is faulty flow)
4.) Eaton bypass actuator with two vacuum ports (you need this to make the snow performance boost solenoid work)

Set to come on fully at 4.5 psi of boost. This translates into roughly coming on at 3k rpms if you floor it anywere below 3k. Comes on instantly anywhere above 3k rpms.

Injector Nozzle rated at 330 cc/min. Actual flow at the nozzle is measured to be 380 - 450 cc/min.

When failsafe is triggered the bypass valve opens and only allows supercharger to make a max of 2 psi untill you shut off the engine and restart.

The Dynojet graphs

<<<<<<Latest Graph 7/15/2013>>>>>>>

These below graphs are with OP and DP installed right before the runs. No tune adjustment so there could be a few more ponies in there.

Map 1: 91 pump
Map 2: 91 + Meth inj.

The Dyno dynamics graph

Dyno is a Dyno Dynamics. It reads ~18% less than a dynojet. Stock 86's read at ~130-140 whp. To see the real gains, look at the delta between stock and supercharged. Dynojet numbers coming soon.

Pink = stock 86
Green = base innovate tune
Red = water/meth tune

Highlighting the top end increase in whp:

Highlighting the top end increase in wtq:

Photos:

Other mods:

1.) Robispec Total Cooling Solution (integrated oil cooler and bigger radiator)
2.) Custom cat-back exhaust
3.) Deatschwerks High Flow Drop-In fuel pump

Trunk Mount W/M system
http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...duct_info.html
AEM failsafe
http://www.aemelectronics.com/water-...e-1-4-sae-1184
Bypass actuator
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170895994487

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUqKWHtL0"]Scion FR-S BRZ Innovate vs.Vortech Supercharger Acceleration - YouTube[/ame]

0-107
[ame]http://youtu.be/gpvmd4TEK6s[/ame]

3rd gear 2k ---->
[ame]http://youtu.be/Qpg8Jb1tEeo[/ame]

Accurate Race Shop · 06-24-2013, 01:45 PM

Were are you storing the water/meth tank?

swift996 · 06-24-2013, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasper

Were are you storing the water/meth tank?

Trunk mounted

Hey sw20kosh - I know I sent you a PM on the bypass valve. Would you mind posting the part number or links whenever you get a chance here?

nonicname · 06-24-2013, 01:49 PM

wow so this kit kills torque below 3k rpms?!

OrbitalEllipses · 06-24-2013, 01:50 PM

Would you mind scanning those dyno runs? Pictures are a bit blurry...

Pete · 06-24-2013, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonicname

wow so this kit kills torque below 3k rpms?!

It looked that way on the official dyno too, but that's gotta be because they aren't at WOT yet right?

OrbitalEllipses · 06-24-2013, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

It looked that way on the official dyno too, but that's gotta be because they aren't at WOT yet right?

Dyno pulls are WOT in a higher gear than you'd normally be in for the bottom of the RPM range.

mad_sb · 06-24-2013, 02:32 PM

Very nice man, Supper happy to see it pulls out to the limiter!... With all the torque talk I was worried it would puke and die up top, at least on this pulley with the added knock suppression of WMI it does not.

Was this on the low boost pulley?

Adeets · 06-24-2013, 02:42 PM

I hope they release the intercooled version soon, the gains on these non intercooler versions are meh at best.

Even w/m sprayed... Mehhhhhhhhh

sw20kosh · 06-24-2013, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adeets

I hope they release the intercooled version soon, the gains on these non intercooler versions are meh at best.

Even w/m sprayed... Mehhhhhhhhh

Unicorn torque is far from mehhhh.

Draco-REX · 06-24-2013, 04:52 PM

I think that midrange has this car written all over it. I can't wait until the first AutoX with this SC installed.

whataboutbob · 06-24-2013, 04:59 PM

^^ this ^^

swift996 · 06-24-2013, 05:08 PM

Paired with my EL header & front pipe and the desire to run WMI and retain an aftermarket intake. I expect to get about 250-260whp from the provided pulley.

Remember many of the dynos are on stock air filters and stock headers/exhaust. Not saying it's going to be game changing but expect some better numbers as more people get a hold of these things.

Adeets · 06-24-2013, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Unicorn torque is far from mehhhh.

I guess I was expecting more from a unicorn. The torque band doesn't look that impressive, and I was expecting it to come out of the gate, not 3,500-4,000

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sw20kosh Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 Black FR-S Location: SF Posts: 3,030 Thanks: 881 Thanked 2,014 Times in 990 Posts Mentioned: 153 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Innovate Stg1 Supercharger with W/M injection Since the official dyno charts are released I can share more specific details on my water/meth cooled stg. 1 kit. Supercharger: Innovate Stg. 1 Twin Screw "Complete" Kit (non-intercooled) - Carb Exemption Pending Water/Meth Inj. Kit: 1.) Trunk mounted alcoholinjectionsystems.com stage 1 kit w/ 3gal tank 2.) AEM water/meth flow failsafe gauge and flow sensor 3.) Snow Performance supercharger bypass valve boost solenoid (to open the bypass when there is faulty flow) 4.) Eaton bypass actuator with two vacuum ports (you need this to make the snow performance boost solenoid work) Set to come on fully at 4.5 psi of boost. This translates into roughly coming on at 3k rpms if you floor it anywere below 3k. Comes on instantly anywhere above 3k rpms. Injector Nozzle rated at 330 cc/min. Actual flow at the nozzle is measured to be 380 - 450 cc/min. When failsafe is triggered the bypass valve opens and only allows supercharger to make a max of 2 psi untill you shut off the engine and restart. The Dynojet graphs <<<<<<Latest Graph 7/15/2013>>>>>>> These below graphs are with OP and DP installed right before the runs. No tune adjustment so there could be a few more ponies in there. Map 1: 91 pump Map 2: 91 + Meth inj. The Dyno dynamics graph Dyno is a Dyno Dynamics. It reads ~18% less than a dynojet. Stock 86's read at ~130-140 whp. To see the real gains, look at the delta between stock and supercharged. Dynojet numbers coming soon. Pink = stock 86 Green = base innovate tune Red = water/meth tune Highlighting the top end increase in whp: Highlighting the top end increase in wtq: Photos: Other mods: 1.) Robispec Total Cooling Solution (integrated oil cooler and bigger radiator) 2.) Custom cat-back exhaust 3.) Deatschwerks High Flow Drop-In fuel pump Trunk Mount W/M system http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...duct_info.html AEM failsafe http://www.aemelectronics.com/water-...e-1-4-sae-1184 Bypass actuator http://www.ebay.com/itm/170895994487 [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUqKWHtL0"]Scion FR-S BRZ Innovate vs.Vortech Supercharger Acceleration - YouTube[/ame] 0-107 [ame]http://youtu.be/gpvmd4TEK6s[/ame] 3rd gear 2k ----> [ame]http://youtu.be/Qpg8Jb1tEeo[/ame] Last edited by sw20kosh; 07-18-2013 at 05:09 PM.

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mad_sb Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Location: Orange County Posts: 1,639 Thanks: 632 Thanked 981 Times in 537 Posts Mentioned: 100 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Very nice man, Supper happy to see it pulls out to the limiter!... With all the torque talk I was worried it would puke and die up top, at least on this pulley with the added knock suppression of WMI it does not. Was this on the low boost pulley? __________________ ~Namaste~ 2013 Asphalt FRS

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