Camry?

[DandoX]

Originally Posted by James H

How do you know it was a V6... what if it was a 4 cyl!!!

Because the moment he was on the freeway he slowed way down to normal speeds and I passed him in the far left lane. It was a v6 form 2016 maybe?

[DandoX]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh ya that .1 second 0 to 60 rating over the Twins must be awesome.

Yeah but that is with pro shifting, in the real world. When a v6 Camry owner just stomps the gas in an AT and some dummy like me has to row through gears the Camary wins by a larger margin. However the twins can more casually accelerate fast, like it isn't any big deal where as the Camry shouts and hollers and lets everyone know they are flooring it.

The Camry has to make a big fuss to pass a twin, likely something they don't do that often. Where as I take off from a stop or red light pretty fast consistently because the car is light and its not a big fuss to get going quickly. This is all in a dead straight line of course.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

They handle just like a heavy mid sized sedan with loads of power and slightly tweaked suspension. They also make up about 5% of the Camry production so this whole "Camrys can kick our ass" sentiment is bullshit. Even the V6 numbers barely beat the Twins in any manner beyond timed drag race events.
If anybody is getting their "ass kicked" by a Camry they need to trade in their Twin for a nice minivan.

2019s will do 0-60 in 5.8 apparently. Was 2018 an update year?

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Spuds

2019s will do 0-60 in 5.8 apparently. Was 2018 an update year?

Yes

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by DandoX

Yeah but that is with pro shifting, in the real world. When a v6 Camry owner just stomps the gas in an AT and some dummy like me has to row through gears the Camary wins by a larger margin. However the twins can more casually accelerate fast, like it isn't any big deal where as the Camry shouts and hollers and lets everyone know they are flooring it.

The Camry has to make a big fuss to pass a twin, likely something they don't do that often. Where as I take off from a stop or red light pretty fast consistently because the car is light and its not a big fuss to get going quickly. This is all in a dead straight line of course.

Bruh, you only have to make like 1 or 2 shifts, you can't be that bad. You could even dump your clutch from like 4.5k (I do not suggest doing this readers) to really scare that fool.

[DandoX]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Bruh, you only have to make like 1 or 2 shifts, you can't be that bad. You could even dump your clutch from like 4.5k (I do not suggest doing this readers) to really scare that fool.

Hey Im not going around trying to drag race Camrys, I'm talking about a standard twin start that is brisk but not out of the ordinary. I don't need to redline going on an onramp to beat a Camry, if they are that determined to pass to prove to themselves or make them feel better than it is fine with me.

I'm just trying to get to my location with a bit of fun. I almost always take off the line briskly but Im not launching it for a drag race against a Camry, plus I passed that dude on the freeway right away.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DandoX

Yeah but that is with pro shifting, in the real world. When a v6 Camry owner just stomps the gas in an AT and some dummy like me has to row through gears the Camary wins by a larger margin. However the twins can more casually accelerate fast, like it isn't any big deal where as the Camry shouts and hollers and lets everyone know they are flooring it.

The Camry has to make a big fuss to pass a twin, likely something they don't do that often. Where as I take off from a stop or red light pretty fast consistently because the car is light and its not a big fuss to get going quickly. This is all in a dead straight line of course.

Meh that is always the excuse when the numbers are used. The Twins are always "wrong" for some reason but every other car is correct.
Using the base numbers it is .1 second over the MT. Doesn't matter how they got hem. Now of course the poor AT drivers are only going to see Camry tail lights but that is a different matter.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Spuds

2019s will do 0-60 in 5.8 apparently. Was 2018 an update year?

OK .4 seconds. We are doomed.

[DandoX]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Meh that is always the excuse when the numbers are used. The Twins are always "wrong" for some reason but every other car is correct.
Using the base numbers it is .1 second over the MT. Doesn't matter how they got hem. Now of course the poor AT drivers are only going to see Camry tail lights but that is a different matter.

What I'm saying is I'm not as good as the driver who got that 0-60 time in a manual (I bet a bunch of twin owners are not that skilled). Also in the real world when I'm not planning on drag racing to 60 (even though to get on the free way it is a drag to 70-75) and all the camry owner has to do is stop their right foot to go fast. So in the average circumstance those v6 Camrys can just pull away in a straight line if they choose to go to redline to pass a twin. If they do not go to redline then the twin will pass them handily with barely going over 6k rpm.

Also I feel I should mention in all my 6 years of ownership I have seen one or maybe two Camry v6s that where even willing to drive with any sort of aggressiveness so among Camrys as you said it is a rarity but when they feel the need for speed they can get going pretty damn fast from a stop.

[xdavidx]

Before I bought my 86, I was 'considering' getting a boring reliable sedan like the accord or camry. I had just sold my M235. My friend, knowing this was really stupid of me to even consider and I would always regret it, made the ultimate sacrifice.... He flew out from NYC and rented a camry (v6) for the day. Came over early on a sunday morning, threw me the keys, and said.. let's go to supercar sunday - you drive.


He made his point... I was immediately frustrated with just how horribly the car handled and felt. Everything I did, it was like it would pause 5 seconds before it would react to my inputs. Then when it did it somehow did in the most annoying way possible. Made stupid noises and blinked and flashed at me. Brakes felt like giant soft sponges and the car would dive whenever I tried to actually use them as I don't think Toyota ever expected anyone to try to change speed or direction rapidly in that car. I was cussing and swear at the thing constantly on the drive over. Felt horribly embarrassed around real car people that I knew with some of the best cars in LA (and hence the world).. pulling up in a Camry I parked at the far edge of the lot out of shame. At least it was a rental... Then we went out to a few dealerships to do some test drives of other cars including a brz, wrx and a maserati wth. Got back in the Camry to drive to a malibu beach house with some hot girls... in a Camry... I gave the keys back to my friend and said, 'I'm never driving that thing again. If you don't drive it back, I'm driving it into the ocean where it belongs'. Bought my 86 the next day.



Point of the story: There is nothing on paper that will ever make the Camry in any way competitive with the twins. It is a truly awful car to drive in all regards no matter how much your mother says it is the best car she's ever owned.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by xdavidx

It is a truly awful car to drive in all regards no matter how much your mother says it is the best car she's ever owned.

I feel this way about the Civic. In every conceivable way, it's the car people talk about when they say this insufferable phrase "I don't care about cars, I just need something to get me from point A to point B". Even typing that out just now was awful. I would actively avoid driving that car and absolutely understand why people hate driving and want self-driving cars. It is a miserable, joyless thing meant to destroy souls and ambition

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by xdavidx

Before I bought my 86, I was 'considering' getting a boring reliable sedan like the accord or camry. I had just sold my M235. My friend, knowing this was really stupid of me to even consider and I would always regret it, made the ultimate sacrifice.... He flew out from NYC and rented a camry (v6) for the day. Came over early on a sunday morning, threw me the keys, and said.. let's go to supercar sunday - you drive.


He made his point... I was immediately frustrated with just how horribly the car handled and felt. Everything I did, it was like it would pause 5 seconds before it would react to my inputs. Then when it did it somehow did in the most annoying way possible. Made stupid noises and blinked and flashed at me. Brakes felt like giant soft sponges and the car would dive whenever I tried to actually use them as I don't think Toyota ever expected anyone to try to change speed or direction rapidly in that car. I was cussing and swear at the thing constantly on the drive over. Felt horribly embarrassed around real car people that I knew with some of the best cars in LA (and hence the world).. pulling up in a Camry I parked at the far edge of the lot out of shame. At least it was a rental... Then we went out to a few dealerships to do some test drives of other cars including a brz, wrx and a maserati wth. Got back in the Camry to drive to a malibu beach house with some hot girls... in a Camry... I gave the keys back to my friend and said, 'I'm never driving that thing again. If you don't drive it back, I'm driving it into the ocean where it belongs'. Bought my 86 the next day.



Point of the story: There is nothing on paper that will ever make the Camry in any way competitive with the twins. It is a truly awful car to drive in all regards no matter how much your mother says it is the best car she's ever owned.

? On paper is where it IS competitive. Real life, it is not.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

OK .4 seconds. We are doomed.

There is a guy on youtube with a 2017 86 that pulls 6.06 0-60 stock. So you're .4 just became a .26.

[Clutch Dog]

Originally Posted by Will BRZ

I mean nothing wrong with that. You won’t lose much practicality, but you won’t be able to drive it in bad weather (high water, snow etc.) as well as you would an SUV.

see I feel thats the stigma with an suv, but reality is

I drove a 97 crown vic with an open diff for 5 years in illinois, summer winter and all, 4 foot snowfalls and all that. the stigma with SUV ownership is that its safer but reality is you have four wheels and only two of them turn. which wheels being powered when makes 4x4 or awd nice, but at the end of the day a fwd car has more weight over the front axles and can do just fine. I feel

that A-Spec is superhandling awd which has me interested the most.


also this is coming from a guy who has a 300 hp Awd suv and got it for the sole purpose of all weather tow/people transport

and happen to like offroading and camping with it


maybe i should say, if i was willing to give up the tow capacity and utility of it, id get a midisze luxo car

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

? On paper is where it IS competitive. Real life, it is not.




There is a guy on youtube with a 2017 86 that pulls 6.06 0-60 stock. So you're .4 just became a .26.

Ya I know I know all other times are right and the 86 is wrong. Heard it a million times. So what one guy had that time the rated time is an average under controlled conditions not some jackass Youtuber. .

Hilarious how one car is considered fast because you can just hit a pedal and another with almost identical times is slow because you have to actually drive it.

You guys carry on with your getting your asses kick by Camry's.