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Old 09-01-2016, 10:17 PM   #15
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That should be totally doable on the RE71R's, they're definitely stickier than AD08R's.
How comparable are the RE71R's to the RS3?

I daily my car with the RS3's now and they held up pretty well after 5 track days and over 15k kms. But next season I plan on having a dedicated set of track wheels so i'm looking for a better performing tire for the track. I've also heard that RE71R's wear much quicker than it's competitors.
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RE71R's definitely wear faster than RS3's, and overheat quicker on track as well. Depending on vehicle, tire size, etc, you might only get 2 or 3 hot laps on RE71R's before they're overheated and super greasy. If you're maxing out both tires, you'll probably be a full second faster on RE71R's than RS3's.

I personally wouldn't buy RE71R's unless you're competing, just not worth it IMO.
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RE71Rs are cheap enough to buy 2 or 3 sets a season.
Having owned both RS-3s and the RE71Rs, I prefer not only the extra grip of the Bridgstones, but also the much stiffer and responsive sidewall.
The RS-3s feel downright sloppy by comparison. That and you're comparing Bridgstones to Hankooks.

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RE71R's definitely wear faster than RS3's, and overheat quicker on track as well. Depending on vehicle, tire size, etc, you might only get 2 or 3 hot laps on RE71R's before they're overheated and super greasy. If you're maxing out both tires, you'll probably be a full second faster on RE71R's than RS3's.

I personally wouldn't buy RE71R's unless you're competing, just not worth it IMO.
they are actually very consistent when running at 30-32psi hot, ive ran them for 10+ laps per session and they never lost bite at all even when they wore down past the wear bar lookin like slicks and even then it still grip. they dont last as long as RS3 but the extra grip is worth it. my tire of choice for now untill something better comes out in a 200TW
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they are actually very consistent when running at 30-32psi hot, ive ran them for 10+ laps per session and they never lost bite at all even when they wore down past the wear bar lookin like slicks and even then it still grip. they dont last as long as RS3 but the extra grip is worth it. my tire of choice for now untill something better comes out in a 200TW
That's going to depend on tire size, which track, and how hard you're actually pushing. I know a few people that can't get more than 2 hot laps before they're over heated on properly sized tires/wheels.
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That's going to depend on tire size, which track, and how hard you're actually pushing. I know a few people that can't get more than 2 hot laps before they're over heated on properly sized tires/wheels.
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they are actually very consistent when running at 30-32psi hot, ive ran them for 10+ laps per session and they never lost bite at all even when they wore down past the wear bar lookin like slicks and even then it still grip. they dont last as long as RS3 but the extra grip is worth it. my tire of choice for now untill something better comes out in a 200TW
I personally know someone who destroyed the tires running a combo of track and autoX and I KNOW for a fact that he wasn't at his tire limits (I was only roughly 3 seconds slower than him at DDT and a good chunk of our corner speeds were identical - I was in Pilot Super Sports). Alignment plays a huge role as does your driving style.

He now runs RS3s.

I had a huge conundrum when I was shopping to replace the PSSes on my S2000 and whilst the RE71Rs sound fantastic, they just have too many pitfalls for anything other than those who run out for a quick 1-2-3 session when compared to my slow-to-start-then-go-wreck-em style. In autoX and in track, I almost always get my best times 80-100% towards the end of the day. AutoX has actually shown me to be a ridiculously consistent animal getting best times at last session 4/6 events. The other 2 events, one I coned (would've been best time if I didn't), the other I was still learning on fresh tires (less than 24 hours old). Lap sessions, I've also always established that I get PFTD at the 2nd last or last session.

The problem I find with most folks is that they don't gather as much data on themselves before finding a part that fits them. Fastest tires may be fastest for 90% of the population but if you're in the 10% outlier, guess what? You're inhibiting your own growth.

The same guy who ran RE71Rs said it was like driving on "cheat mode". I caught him multiple times on my tires and he seemed to plateau. Once he switched to the RS3s, he suddenly realized how much they were covering up his driving inaccuracies and now he's consistently quick and I strongly believe by end of the year, he should exceed his personal best at DDT.

Also, I only paid $730 for my 225/255 set whereas the RE71Rs would have cost around $900.
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For those interested, Dave and Pete tested a bone-stock ND Miata club and Miata global cup car at TMP. The new Miata isn't as fast as I thought it would be, especially the global cup car that had custom BFG r-comps and multimatic dampers.

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Miata club - 1:26.84
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That's going to depend on tire size, which track, and how hard you're actually pushing. I know a few people that can't get more than 2 hot laps before they're over heated on properly sized tires/wheels.
Could be tire size. When I was chasing @Skurj, I was getting faster at the end of 15 min sessions at DDT while he was slowing down. I run 255 RS3 and he runs 225(?) RE71R. And historically, the vast majority of my fastest laps have been the very last lap of the session at DDT.

That being said, when I was chasing @86Tony at Cayuga, I didn't feel like he was dropping off even during extended sessions so ymmv. Tony is on 255 RE71R I believe.
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Martyn is on 215's or 225's on stock wheels. What were Tony's times like at TMP? If he's maxing out the tires it should be in the low 21 or high 20 range.
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Speaking of laptimes, what are some good timers out there that people are using?
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Martyn is on 215's or 225's on stock wheels. What were Tony's times like at TMP? If he's maxing out the tires it should be in the low 21 or high 20 range.
I have 215/45-17 RE71R's on my car and it will do 1.16's on Fabi, stock suspension. The tires get about 3-4 laps really pushing them before then need a little break. I run the tires at 35psi cold and didnt really pay to much attention to pressures at the track this year.

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This year my fastest time was 1:23.5 with 265/275 rs3 and DTC70... but I think its way too much tire for TMP, at DDT i think its an advante but I felt soooo slow on the straights... ever since august I've had really bad brake fade/fluid boiling when I've played with different front rear pad compounds...

right now im debating whether I should go 235/40/17 NT01 or 245 RE71R for next year :/ WHat are the thoughts on sweet spot for tire width for N/A with full bolt ons and tune?
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Get a 215-235 depending on your wheel. 8" - 215, 8.5" - 225, 9" - 235.

I don't have times from TMP to compare with since I haven't been there this year.

At DDT with a stock car (upgraded rad, oil cooler and brake pads, OEM tires) Car was hitting 1.49.319. Here is the layout.
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Get a 215-235 depending on your wheel. 8" - 215, 8.5" - 225, 9" - 235.

I don't have times from TMP to compare with since I haven't been there this year.

At DDT with a stock car (upgraded rad, oil cooler and brake pads, OEM tires) Car was hitting 1.49.319. Here is the layout.
Imo, our local tracks like DDT, TMP, Shanny, etc. are slow so it's better to run wider tires even with our measly 200 hp. I don't know what the optimal width is for the fastest potential lap time but it's probably somewhere between 235 and 255.
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