Supercharger Comparison: Innovate, Jackson, Kraftwerks, Vortech *Updated March 9 2014 - Page 18 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Sellout · 09-17-2014, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JoonPrime

sorry ive always been bad at graphs..(failed econ and math classes..) but according to this, does it mean the KW sc gets the most low end torque? and innovate gets the biggest low end *burst* after?? im mostly looking to get some low end power since i wont be tracking and burning that 7-8k rpm almost ever.

Nope. Below about 4k rpm the intercooled innovate(sprintex) has more torque than all the others.

MidnightRunner · 09-19-2014, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JoonPrime

sorry ive always been bad at graphs..(failed econ and math classes..) but according to this, does it mean the KW sc gets the most low end torque? and innovate gets the biggest low end *burst* after?? im mostly looking to get some low end power since i wont be tracking and burning that 7-8k rpm almost ever.

Lol. You ask the funniest shit. How hard is it really to read a graph?

HUNTERANGEL121 · 02-04-2015, 12:09 AM

What about the KW C38?

Figo · 06-19-2015, 02:30 PM

I am seriously considering either JR or Vortech.

Ilike JR's concept and design better, also the bolt on performance that they offer.
One thing I like Vortech is that it has a lot of upgrade products. Probability because it is a big company, which is another reason I like it better（more reliable, better car re-sale value).

And also, I am a ricer. I will definitely upgrade a louder bypass valve. Vortech has one on their official website. And for JR, I havnt seem any bypass valve that are confirmed to be not harm the performance correct?

. @CSG Mike Can you convince me so that I might purchase a JR kit from you? I am seriously considering a SC upgrade within this summer. Now JR and Vortech is on the top of my list. KW has belt issue so I am not considering that(I know which one that you prefer. Ask me how I know it. hah).
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CSG Mike · 06-19-2015, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Figo

I am seriously considering either JR or Vortech.

Ilike JR's concept and design better, also the bolt on performance that they offer.
One thing I like Vortech is that it has a lot of upgrade products. Probability because it is a big company, which is another reason I like it better（more reliable, better car re-sale value).

And also, I am a ricer. I will definitely upgrade a louder bypass valve. Vortech has one on their official website. And for JR, I havnt seem any bypass valve that are confirmed to be not harm the performance correct?

. @CSG Mike Can you convince me so that I might purchase a JR kit from you? I am seriously considering a SC upgrade within this summer. Now JR and Vortech is on the top of my list. KW has belt issue so I am not considering that(I know which one that you prefer. Ask me how I know it. hah).
.

You want me to convince you to get a JR kit? Because IMO, both the Vortech and JR kits are quite solid in my opinion.

If you want a louder bypass, you can always vent to atmosphere with both kits; you don't have to recirculate it. The recirculation is there for CARB purposes.

The Vortech has more "upgrades", while the Jackson Racing responds better to supporting mods. There's no right or wrong in this case.

The *largest* reason to get a Jackson Racing kit, is if you also want an engine oil cooler, since it has an optional engine oil cooler that is specifically designed to work with the kit.

Figo · 06-19-2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You want me to convince you to get a JR kit? Because IMO, both the Vortech and JR kits are quite solid in my opinion.

If you want a louder bypass, you can always vent to atmosphere with both kits; you don't have to recirculate it. The recirculation is there for CARB purposes.

The Vortech has more "upgrades", while the Jackson Racing responds better to supporting mods. There's no right or wrong in this case.

The *largest* reason to get a Jackson Racing kit, is if you also want an engine oil cooler, since it has an optional engine oil cooler that is specifically designed to work with the kit.

Thank you for your advice.

I know that Jackson has a thermostat engine oil cooler, which is really good in NJ cuz it snow here. However, I can also get engine oil cooler for my Vortech kit, right? The only thing that might attract me will be if the JR engine oil cooler will not block the inter cooler.

I think I need to do more research, lol. FI the most important mode on my car, hah.

CSG Mike · 06-19-2015, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Figo

Thank you for your advice.

I know that Jackson has a thermostat engine oil cooler, which is really good in NJ cuz it snow here. However, I can also get engine oil cooler for my Vortech kit, right? The only thing that might attract me will be if the JR engine oil cooler will not block the inter cooler.

I think I need to do more research, lol. FI the most important mode on my car, hah.

The engine oil cooler sits behind the FMIC on the JRSC. The FMIC would be in front of this, when it's fully assembled.

Figo · 06-19-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The engine oil cooler sits behind the FMIC on the JRSC. The FMIC would be in front of this, when it's fully assembled.

I think I like the JR design better than this one:

Figo · 06-19-2015, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The engine oil cooler sits behind the FMIC on the JRSC. The FMIC would be in front of this, when it's fully assembled.

BTW the JR oil cooler will not fit behind the vortech intercooler right?

CSG Mike · 06-19-2015, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Figo

BTW the JR oil cooler will not fit behind the vortech intercooler right?

I suppose you could *make* it fit, but no, the supplied mounting hardware would not allow it to fit.

The bracket included with the kit simultaneously mounts the engine oil cooler, supercharger rotrex fluid cooler, and the FMIC together.

Figo · 06-19-2015, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I suppose you could *make* it fit, but no, the supplied mounting hardware would not allow it to fit.

The bracket included with the kit simultaneously mounts the engine oil cooler, supercharger rotrex fluid cooler, and the FMIC together.

Seems Like it is a really good design.

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Andew727 · 08-20-2015, 03:01 PM

Was someone afraid to add the HKS kit to the comparison?

CSG Mike · 08-20-2015, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Andew727

Was someone afraid to add the HKS kit to the comparison?

If only we actually had data...

Andew727 · 08-20-2015, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

If only we actually had data...

what do you need? Base kit dyno runs?

06-19-2015, 02:30 PM	#242
Figo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: Vortech Supercharged FR-S Location: Central Jersey Posts: 1,515 Thanks: 597 Thanked 933 Times in 428 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I am seriously considering either JR or Vortech. Ilike JR's concept and design better, also the bolt on performance that they offer. One thing I like Vortech is that it has a lot of upgrade products. Probability because it is a big company, which is another reason I like it better（more reliable, better car re-sale value). And also, I am a ricer. I will definitely upgrade a louder bypass valve. Vortech has one on their official website. And for JR, I havnt seem any bypass valve that are confirmed to be not harm the performance correct? . @CSG Mike Can you convince me so that I might purchase a JR kit from you? I am seriously considering a SC upgrade within this summer. Now JR and Vortech is on the top of my list. KW has belt issue so I am not considering that(I know which one that you prefer. Ask me how I know it. hah). . __________________ I'd rather lose by a mile because I built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me. Your car is your story, so don't let someone else write the book. ( White Tiger ) - FiGo's 車誌. Last edited by Figo; 06-19-2015 at 02:46 PM.

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