2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I don't hate it I just don't like BMWs. They can be the best car in the world and I would not be interested. I have just been jaded by the crowd that generally likes them. You know the guys "well my Beemer...You know I have Beemer right... Beemers are the bestest...""

As an Ex-BMW M3 owner, I bet I hate them far more than you do!

But.. will this Toyota version come with turn signals? That's an incredibly rare option on a BMW.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I don't hate it I just don't like BMWs. They can be the best car in the world and I would not be interested. I have just been jaded by the crowd that generally likes them. You know the guys "well my Beemer...You know I have Beemer right... Beemers are the bestest...""

it just irks me because the so called critics have no idea what it takes to build a sports car in today's market. Toyota wasn't going to design an all new inline 6 for this car, as that would have made it a total financial loss. The bean counters probably dictated the whole project. So in an attempt to retain most of the styling cues of the FT1, they did their best to shrink it onto the BMW platform. It's a combination of "too late to turn back" and "this is what we have to work with". People moan about unreliable engines and how much it costs to repair a BMW, but this will still be serviced in Toyota dealerships, at Toyota's labour rate. And as most people who have had a clutch changed know that labour is what racks up the charges for almost any repair. Anyway I'm in danger of rambling here, but what I'm saying is I am very irked by overly critical and picky people and the sudden influx of Supra experts and genealogists.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh the list is very long but many ignore all those requirements since they feel that the car companies meeting the regulations is somehow voluntary.
Just to bring the 4 banger version over to the US would involve a whole new set of crash tests and emission certifications which would probably cost them more than they would ever make selling them.

I don't think a 4 banger would be too much issue to certify. I think it would be safe to assume the 4 banger is the BMW B48 used in mini cooper, X1 and opther base model 4banger BMW's.

The power ratings for the supra are a bit different than what the thing is rated as. I supposed anyone wanted to figure out how fast a 4 banger supra could be, just look up the mini cooper S. I think weight and power levels would be close.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

it just irks me because the so called critics have no idea what it takes to build a sports car in today's market. Toyota wasn't going to design an all new inline 6 for this car, as that would have made it a total financial loss. The bean counters probably dictated the whole project. So in an attempt to retain most of the styling cues of the FT1, they did their best to shrink it onto the BMW platform. It's a combination of "too late to turn back" and "this is what we have to work with". People moan about unreliable engines and how much it costs to repair a BMW, but this will still be serviced in Toyota dealerships, at Toyota's labour rate. And as most people who have had a clutch changed know that labour is what racks up the charges for almost any repair. Anyway I'm in danger of rambling here, but what I'm saying is I am very irked by overly critical and picky people and the sudden influx of Supra experts and genealogists.

That's because everyone on the internet is an expert on engineering, development, manufacturing and budgeting for a car.

They just don't say anything until someone else actually does it and apparently everyone who actually builds a car does it completely wrong and ass backwards.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanadaEh

it just irks me because the so called critics have no idea what it takes to build a sports car in today's market. Toyota wasn't going to design an all new inline 6 for this car, as that would have made it a total financial loss. The bean counters probably dictated the whole project. So in an attempt to retain most of the styling cues of the FT1, they did their best to shrink it onto the BMW platform. It's a combination of "too late to turn back" and "this is what we have to work with". People moan about unreliable engines and how much it costs to repair a BMW, but this will still be serviced in Toyota dealerships, at Toyota's labour rate. And as most people who have had a clutch changed know that labour is what racks up the charges for almost any repair. Anyway I'm in danger of rambling here, but what I'm saying is I am very irked by overly critical and picky people and the sudden influx of Supra experts and genealogists.

I am with you 100% on all that. This is why I defend it when I don't personally like it.
I have not gone over to the Supra forum to see what the reactions are there but the ones here do not surprise me since many of the people whining do the same about the 86 for almost the same reasons. They want some magical unicorn car that meets all of their personal demands for less than it costs to make an appliance sedan and just can't understand why they can't have it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I don't think a 4 banger would be too much issue to certify. I think it would be safe to assume the 4 banger is the BMW B48 used in mini cooper, X1 and opther base model 4banger BMW's.

The power ratings for the supra are a bit different than what the thing is rated as. I supposed anyone wanted to figure out how fast a 4 banger supra could be, just look up the mini cooper S. I think weight and power levels would be close.

Still costs money. Loads and loads of money. Doesn't matter that it is used in another car this car is different and the Gov'mnt don't care. People do not understand the hoops that need to be jumped through when even a small part is changed on a car. It cost near $500,000 for us to reduce the coating thickness on a rotor for one of our customers. EVERYTHING has to be approved.

[vh_supra26]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4MgbY0j9SU[/ame]

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

Hey I had dinner with two guys that looked just like those two goofballs on Sunday!
Love the Youtube comments.

[PorscheUnlimited16]

As an owner of a Porsche Gt4, I simply do not mind getting the Supra as a new daily driver. The design isn’t exactly to my liking but we love our new toys regardless. It always take me a month to warm up to every cars quirks that I’ve owned. My wife drives a modified 435i Msport with the Zf8 and that transmission is superb. I’m guessing the Supra will simply feel sportier with its sportier foot print and stance with a similar power plant = Fun. Won’t be as fun as rowing through your own gears but for the weekdays it would be an absolute blast.

Is it still a Supra to me? Not at heart no, but it still excites me.
In other regards, the original Supra wasn’t all that pretty to me either.

[Irace86.2.0]

I think they should have just called it the FT1 then no one would have their panties in a bunch.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Honestly though, if the Supra was an all Japanese made car then I would probably move it ahead of the German made Porsche. (Personal bias based on 48 years of experience owning cars from various countries!)

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

This was a poor use of the Supra brand though. The Supra should have been a 2+2 all Toyota parts car. That's the only way I would have even considered it.

I see this mentioned a lot. Ya'll do know that the Getrag V160 in the MKIV Supra is German, right? I'm sure it wasn't the only part that was designed, produced or developed outside of Japan.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I see this mentioned a lot. Ya'll do know that the Getrag V160 in the MKIV Supra is German, right? I'm sure it wasn't the only part that was designed, produced or developed outside of Japan.

Well, of course, that's true with any car. This one though appears to be primarily "bodywork by Toyota" and that's about it.

To me it's like taking a Ferrari and badging it Pininfarina just because they design the shell.

[KR-S]

This, to me, looks like the Metal Gear Survive of cars: they're both products that on their own would have been fine on their own merits, but are lambasted because nothing about them come close to representing the name they're branded with.

I have to agree with the rest of the comments that the new Supra is only a Supra in name only, and personally I'm one of those who find this to be a poor addition to the Supra nameplate. Had it been called something else entirely, I wouldn't have minded it, and I'd rather have had Toyota save the Supra nameplate for a car they mostly built themselves, even if it would have taken even more years before that would happen.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, of course, that's true with any car. This one though appears to be primarily "bodywork by Toyota" and that's about it.

To me it's like taking a Ferrari and badging it Pininfarina just because they design the shell.

Oh good, so we agree that "all Toyota parts car" really didn't make much sense.