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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Even the fabled 90s Supra, that is finally starting to reach collector prices, is not getting much more than its original selling price when you take inflation into account.

Inflation is where many trip up when they look at values.
Hear it all the time with classic car noobs "This 1955 Chev cost only $2500 new and now it is worth ten times that" Well no shit. That $2500 could have been the annual salary for many in 1955 so I would hope it gets better now. Inflation matters!

[GrantedTaken]

No one said to invest in a 86. That's idiotic.
Cars are terrible investments compared to S&P.

However, it will be next to impossible to find a clean 86 in the future.

Finding a clean, low miles, unmolested, manual, non-riced, non-salvage is already very hard to find TODAY.
In 20 years, they might only sell for $5k, but you will never ever find one for yourself.
In fact, I have NEVER seen an 86 that is stock.....except mine. I am never selling mine.

[jrb363]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

No one said to invest in a 86. That's idiotic.
Cars are terrible investments compared to S&P.

However, it will be next to impossible to find a clean 86 in the future.

Finding a clean, low miles, unmolested, manual, non-riced, non-salvage is already very hard to find TODAY.
In 20 years, they might only sell for $5k, but you will never ever find one for yourself.
In fact, I have NEVER seen an 86 that is stock.....except mine. I am never selling mine.

Saying never is where you get into trouble. I agree it will be difficult but not impossible, especially if they release an improved 2nd generation.

Also: My 2015 is completely stock. Been waiting years to own one of these and I want to appreciate it as intended for the first few years.

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[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

No one said to invest in a 86. That's idiotic.
Cars are terrible investments compared to S&P.

This. ^^^

Cars in general are terrible investments. I can imagine some exceptions like the 911R were Porsche sold it to certain guys and managed to raise its price in a few months period, but Subaru is not a Porsche and the BRZ is not a 911R!


Apart from this, I don't find it necessarily bad a car to be modified. People saying that someone should avoid non-stock used cars they just don't know how to separate a good modified from a bad modified. I would always prefer buying a good modified and well preserved used car than a stock used car.

[86MLR]

Buy new car

Mod new car

Thrash new car

Sell in 4 to 5 years

Repeat

[mrg666]

Please read the article in the first post. This car is not about investing for the owner or making money for the manufacturer. It is about building a car meant for driving for the engineers/designers and driving it for the owners. I don't know any other car that was built/designed with such a focus on driving perfection at this price point.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Cars in general are terrible investments. I can imagine some exceptions like the 911R were Porsche sold it to certain guys and managed to raise its price in a few months period, but Subaru is not a Porsche and the BRZ is not a 911R!

No car is an investment.

Automobiles you see at Barrett-Jackson auctions worth 7 figures are not investments if used as cars. At the point where they become "investments" they are just mechanical works of art and are a mechanism for bartering some impugned value just like Rembrandts or cash.

Take that same vehicle out on the road (or track) on a regular basis and suddenly it's not worth nearly as much.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No car is an investment.

Automobiles you see at Barrett-Jackson auctions worth 7 figures are not investments if used as cars. At the point where they become "investments" they are just mechanical works of art and are a mechanism for bartering some impugned value just like Rembrandts or cash.

Take that same vehicle out on the road (or track) on a regular basis and suddenly it's not worth nearly as much.

Yes, I know what you mean. I have my car 4.5 years and it has less than 6k miles. Most of them were for the necessary break in period and doing after some trips for installing and testing certain mods. I just don't expect that it'll get too much value. It is a Subaru after all. A good brand but certainly not a premium brand. The main reason of keeping it low mileage was basically a coincidence and not because waiting to get back any invested money in a distant future.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No car is an investment.

Automobiles you see at Barrett-Jackson auctions worth 7 figures are not investments if used as cars. At the point where they become "investments" they are just mechanical works of art and are a mechanism for bartering some impugned value just like Rembrandts or cash.

Take that same vehicle out on the road (or track) on a regular basis and suddenly it's not worth nearly as much.

Even then they can shot up or plummet in value based on current fads or trends. I watch the auction every year and it is amazing how certain makes or models can swing. One year early 'Vettes will go for way over their estimated value and then the next year identical cars won't even hit the reserve and not be sold at all. Last year was the year of cloned muscle cars. Some of them were selling for the prices of the real things.
Historically the top prices paid have been for literal pieces of art with one off vehicles. The original Batmobile is in that top list.
https://www.foxsports.com/nascar/gal...jackson-010514

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes, I know what you mean. I have my car 4.5 years and it has less than 6k miles. Most of them were for the necessary break in period and doing after some trips for installing and testing certain mods. I just don't expect that it'll get too much value. It is a Subaru after all. A good brand but certainly not a premium brand. The main reason of keeping it low mileage was basically a coincidence and not because waiting to get back any invested money in a distant future.

You and I on such opposite ends of the mileage spectrum after 4.5 years that the gap is almost unbelievable.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

...You and I on such opposite ends of the mileage spectrum after 4.5 years that the gap is almost unbelievable.

No kidding. @nikitopo would have to drive his car at his current rate for 108.777 years to have the same mileage I have on mine now after 6.5 years.

[XPLSV]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

Finding a clean, low miles, unmolested, manual, non-riced, non-salvage is already very hard to find TODAY.
In 20 years, they might only sell for $5k, but you will never ever find one for yourself.
In fact, I have NEVER seen an 86 that is stock.....except mine. I am never selling mine.

I picked up a 2015 RS 1.0 last week with only 6600 miles on it. The gentleman swapped out the horn and added the center arm rest...that was it. Mint condition. I've been looking around on and off for quite awhile and you are correct on finding a low mile, unmolested manual...the number of salvage titled ones amazed me. I'm over 8000 miles on it now and I bought this car because I wanted a fuel efficient, yet fun driving, car to be my high mileage vehicle. The mileage is better than my other vehicles, motorcycle excluded, but I am happy with that. Will still take proper care of it like my other vehicles. That said...and a pretty important point to me...it is a great driving and very fun vehicle!

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You and I on such opposite ends of the mileage spectrum after 4.5 years that the gap is almost unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

No kidding. @nikitopo would have to drive his car at his current rate for 108.777 years to have the same mileage I have on mine now after 6.5 years.

At least it has given till now a few good street racing fights. It is not a daily driven car, so I have different targets. There was also a plan to join this year some official DMSB (German Motor Sport Federation) races, but lets say that the Germans didn't accept it in a "polite" way. I'm doing now some other plans for the future, but we'll see how things will go.

[GrantedTaken]

The other thing I noticed is that most of the decent cars for sale are by dealer flippers. Seems very rate to see a good car being sold by the actual owner.

Low miles.
Manual gearbox
Clean title.
Bone Stock. Not riced and modded.
Private party sale.

This is a rare find.
I got very lucky
It will be even more rare in the future.
I might buy an extra one and store it somewhere.

[Docdoc]

I think this car will be worth something in the future, but only a 2013 version that has low mileage and from some miracle has been completely un-modded. It will be the same as Civics in that since, the rarest of them with be a completely stock car.

Docdoc