Motor Trend: 2016 Miata vs 2015 BRZ

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by ben721364

Sorry. I think most folks understood my post and why I wrote it.

Likewise

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I hate that argument, because it just reminds me how ignorant most people are.

"Man, that new Corvette is freaking amazing! I bet the Cobalt I'm looking at buying will be pretty awesome too, just because the Corvette is made by the same brand!"

People are stupid.

Win on Sunday sell on Monday -- same principle...

[val_lixembeau]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

And Lago would pick the BRZ because he prefers it as a track car.

So there you have it. One prefers the BRZ because the cabin fits her better, and the other would choose the BRZ because he prefers the handling on the track.

Also keep in mind that in previous comparisons, Carlos picked the Miata because it was more fun on the road.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by val_lixembeau

Also keep in mind that in previous comparisons, Carlos picked the Miata because it was more fun on the road.

Hard to beat top-down motoring in terms of street fun Although I think you're thinking about an NC Miata, not ND.

[BRZ21]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Prove it. I've followed this car from it's inception and have never seen any Toyota Japan exec of rep mention the Camaro or Mustang in anything. Maybe you overheard a Scion valet talking out his ass at some point by accident. Toyota knows very well it has no chance or desire to compete with cheap push-rod led sleds favored by dixie boyz. Toyota could make the best Mustang ever and almost nobody would buy it because it's Japanese or says Toyota on it. You'd have to be inane to think you could compete with that market as a foreigner. Dodge already has enough trouble doing that and it has a more 'attractive' nameplate for that market.

They have always planned for a cheaper car under the 86 as well as a more expensive one over it. This is nothing new and has nothing to do with your speculation about market reactions or poor planning. Toyoda wanted to make a cheap sports car because it's in his DNA. Period. He did it despite resistance from Subaru initially because he has huevos. This is fact, not fiction. You sound like you've been reading a little too much Left Lane News.

So yeah, people can rail against Toyota the appliance maker all they want, but GM and Nissan have pussied out of this market. Only Mazda and (maybe) Honda are left.

Honestly, I'm not even sure WTH market Nissan does well in these days at all.

nobody says this... and if they do they don't know much about cars/working on cars. your overall idea is correct but those are not these reasons why.

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by BRZ21

nobody says this... and if they do they don't know much about cars/working on cars. your overall idea is correct but those are not these reasons why.

Nobody says what? That Toyota only makes appliances? You've lost me with your post...

Or do you mean there isn't actual xenophobic racist tendencies within certain car and truck markets in the US? That is absolutely true. Buy American! Pushrod V8s for life yo! No rice or Jap crap.

[Entroper]

Well, well, well: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11506219...-mx-5-platform

It's a little confusing, though. The 86's wheelbase is 10 inches longer than ND's, yet the article says Toyota would use the ND chassis for the next 86, and introduce a new one for a smaller sports car. I don't know why they wouldn't use the ND chassis for the smaller car.

Wouldn't that be something though? I keep saying, these cars are on the same team.

[BRZ21]

Originally Posted by abraxis

Nobody says what? That Toyota only makes appliances? You've lost me with your post...

Or do you mean there isn't actual xenophobic racist tendencies within certain car and truck markets in the US? That is absolutely true. Buy American! Pushrod V8s for life yo! No rice or Jap crap.

I mean no one (should) talk down about Toyota and calls their cars "appliances"

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Entroper

Well, well, well: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11506219...-mx-5-platform

It's a little confusing, though. The 86's wheelbase is 10 inches longer than ND's, yet the article says Toyota would use the ND chassis for the next 86, and introduce a new one for a smaller sports car. I don't know why they wouldn't use the ND chassis for the smaller car.

Wouldn't that be something though? I keep saying, these cars are on the same team.

Something directly in between the Miata and the 86 would be an incredible car....... The wheelbase and fixed roof coupe body of the 86 with the front-mid engine placement & suspension of the MX5 + a good engine = greatness awaits...

[swarb]

Originally Posted by Entroper

Well, well, well: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11506219...-mx-5-platform

It's a little confusing, though. The 86's wheelbase is 10 inches longer than ND's, yet the article says Toyota would use the ND chassis for the next 86, and introduce a new one for a smaller sports car. I don't know why they wouldn't use the ND chassis for the smaller car.

Wouldn't that be something though? I keep saying, these cars are on the same team.

It's confusing because it is speculation. Key words are "could" and "possibly".
Take that link to the speculation thread.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Entroper

Well, well, well: http://www.worldcarfans.com/11506219...-mx-5-platform

It's a little confusing, though. The 86's wheelbase is 10 inches longer than ND's, yet the article says Toyota would use the ND chassis for the next 86, and introduce a new one for a smaller sports car. I don't know why they wouldn't use the ND chassis for the smaller car.

Wouldn't that be something though? I keep saying, these cars are on the same team.

Seems plausible, but keep in mind the shittiest auto rumors come out of Australia and that's the source for the blog post you linked.

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...platform-51970

Early data suggests that the current 86 chassis is better (purpose built, stiffer, better crash safety ratings, established OEM parts bin) than the ND Miata chassis so IDK if there is any benefit to moving platforms.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Seems plausible, but keep in mind the shittiest auto rumors come out of Australia and that's the source for the blog post you linked.

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...platform-51970

Early data suggests that the current 86 chassis is better (purpose built, stiffer, better crash safety ratings, established OEM parts bin) than the ND Miata chassis so IDK if there is any benefit to moving platforms.

Yeah, how often is that site 100% wrong? So far I've seen nothing come true from their supposed "insider" info...

[Entroper]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Seems plausible, but keep in mind the shittiest auto rumors come out of Australia and that's the source for the blog post you linked.

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015...platform-51970

Sure. It sounds like they mashed two rumors into one article, hoping something will stick. And it raises a lot of questions, like if Toyota is getting the chassis from Mazda, how will Subaru be involved (or will they at all)?

I certainly wouldn't rule it out, though. The 86 is Akio Toyoda's pet project, and he was heaping praise on Mazda for the ND when he announced their partnership last month. Toyota is already using the Mazda2 chassis for the Yaris.

Early data suggests that the current 86 chassis is better (purpose built, stiffer, better crash safety ratings, established OEM parts bin) than the ND Miata chassis so IDK if there is any benefit to moving platforms.

It would be news to me if the ND's chassis were less purpose-built than the 86. I've no doubt it's not as stiff or crash-worthy, but that's hardly surprising when comparing a convertible to a fixed-roof. To me, that's the biggest stumbling point of this suggestion, using a 2-seater convertible chassis for the next 86.

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by Entroper

Sure. It sounds like they mashed two rumors into one article, hoping something will stick.
It would be news to me if the ND's chassis were less purpose-built than the 86. I've no doubt it's not as stiff or crash-worthy, but that's hardly surprising when comparing a convertible to a fixed-roof. To me, that's the biggest stumbling point of this suggestion, using a 2-seater convertible chassis for the next 86.

Don'cha know? They are going to use the FF RX-7 chassis for the next 86!