follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > 1st Gens: Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ > Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum

Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-08-2014, 04:47 PM   #29
vh_supra26
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Drives: Supra
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,793
Thanks: 1,155
Thanked 2,181 Times in 964 Posts
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Khorne View Post
Yes because the president of Fuji Heavy Industries is going to only speak with a single online American news outlet. Confirmation of a Gen 2 model will be confired with a press release from Toyota and Subaru, until then this is just clickbait.
I get what you are saying, but to be fair in the past Automotive News has been a pretty reputable source.
vh_supra26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2014, 04:58 PM   #30
vh_supra26
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Drives: Supra
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,793
Thanks: 1,155
Thanked 2,181 Times in 964 Posts
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by themajesticone View Post
So the 86 platform has not even been out for close to 5 years, in fact we have just hit 2 years, yet there is already talk and confirmation of a 2nd gen? Does that seem a little odd to anyone else? Am I wrong to say that most generations of cars happen every 5 years and typically at year 4 is the previous generation actually debuted?

I am certain that the President of FHI would be much more articulate than, "If I were to be told that, I'd pass out," Yoshinaga said. "It's not going to be just one generation."

Click-bait INDEED.
Its actually not uncommon for automakers to start work on the next gen after just releasing the current model.

For example:

The Lexus RX300 was released in 1998. But work already began on the 2nd gen RX that same year. As as we all know the 2nd gen RX was released in 2004. Development on the 3rd generation RX also began that same year in 2004.

Another example is the BMW 5 Series. The current F10 has been on the market since 2010. But 3 years later we are already seeing BMW testing the next 5 Series last year.

Usually work on a new model can take anywhere from 3-5 years to develop.
vh_supra26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2014, 05:16 PM   #31
Havsie
Member
 
Havsie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Drives: 13 FR-S Whiteout 6MT
Location: NJ
Posts: 96
Thanks: 1
Thanked 88 Times in 30 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
The 86 platform isn't incredibly expensive or fancy either, it's just a chopped up Impreza. If anything, producing a second gen is going to be even cheaper for Subaru since they are switching to an all new modular platform for the next gen Impreza/Forester/WRX/Crosstrek that can be used on this as well.

I really don't see Toyota stopping their funding either, especially since it's the only relatively entertaining car in their entire lineup and the new Supra is going to be at a price point several times that of the 86.
Havsie is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Havsie For This Useful Post:
vh_supra26 (07-08-2014)
Old 07-08-2014, 05:18 PM   #32
Tomcat07
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 2015 Halo FR-S
Location: Florida
Posts: 70
Thanks: 38
Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
From a technical design standpoint, I'm sure they are working on 2nd and 3rd gen models now but keeping them under wraps because that process takes 2-5 years. I doubt they will release a new generation so soon after the initial release, rather i expect they are probably about ready to release a mid model refresher (IE: drop top, turbo version, or an extended 4 door) without any real changes to the base car. That's not to say a new generation isn't entirely out of the question. It all depends on how the OEMs think the return on investment will pan out.

Additionally, after the tens of millions that Toyota and Subaru spent on R&D, there is no way they are going to just cut the vehicle line without getting a sufficient return on investment... unless the car was a total flop, which I'm pretty sure, it wasn't. (with regards to the Toyota BMW comment. rumors of which, i have also heard)
Tomcat07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2014, 05:29 PM   #33
vh_supra26
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Drives: Supra
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,793
Thanks: 1,155
Thanked 2,181 Times in 964 Posts
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
If we look to the past, more recent Toyota sports cars usually have a long life cycle.

T200 Celica: 1993–1999
T230 Celica: 2000–2006

W20 MR-2: 1989–1999
W30 MR-2: 2000-2007

A70 Supra: 1986–1992
A80 Supra: 1993–2002
vh_supra26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2014, 05:32 PM   #34
Rampage
Senior Member/Old Fanboi
 
Rampage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT
Location: Back home in Ohio now
Posts: 2,446
Thanks: 1,931
Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hanabie View Post
turbo version?
Surprised that took 22 post.
__________________
So many modders have more cents than sense!
Rampage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2014, 08:37 PM   #35
JARE_ee
Alaska Roll Lover
 
JARE_ee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Drives: Blue.Series.Aozora
Location: Beautiful BC
Posts: 120
Thanks: 203
Thanked 69 Times in 22 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
should i wait until the next gen model, before ordering it now?


JARE_ee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2014, 08:56 PM   #36
chaoskaze
The Fail Boat
 
chaoskaze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Drives: CWP S.B.
Location: LasVegas
Posts: 3,028
Thanks: 4,718
Thanked 1,293 Times in 873 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
nahhhh, it will be another 3 years before they update into real 2nd gen & it will come with 3D enhancement!

PS: and it will follow true Subaru fashion 2nd year model (4 years from now) will also receive a free wide body upgrade.
chaoskaze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 06:11 AM   #37
paulca
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Drives: Toyota GT86 Coupe Red (UK)
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 554
Thanks: 20
Thanked 291 Times in 171 Posts
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
3 years might be a good time as I will be able to sell mine before the next gen comes out or trade up to one.

I really don't want them to release a turbo version before I want to sell mine as it will kill the value of the first gen models.

"Is it the turbo version?"
"No."
"Oh... not interested."
paulca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 07:58 AM   #38
CruiseZen
Senior Member
 
CruiseZen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Drives: 2014 Ultramarine 6MT FR-S Monogram
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 252
Thanks: 45
Thanked 78 Times in 57 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulca View Post
3 years might be a good time as I will be able to sell mine before the next gen comes out or trade up to one.

I really don't want them to release a turbo version before I want to sell mine as it will kill the value of the first gen models.

"Is it the turbo version?"
"No."
"Oh... not interested."
If I were you, I wouldn't make any plans based on a mythical version of the car that may never come to fruition.
__________________
Borla axleback exhaust * mud guards * Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires * Opti-Coat * BRZ trunk lid liner * Rexpeed Wide Mirrors (heated)
CruiseZen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 08:50 AM   #39
vh_supra26
Site Moderator
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Drives: Supra
Location: Houston
Posts: 2,793
Thanks: 1,155
Thanked 2,181 Times in 964 Posts
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
If the current model has a 6-8 year life cycle than expect the 2nd gen to be release around 2018-2020.
vh_supra26 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 12:21 PM   #40
Dark
Elite Padawan
 
Dark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Drives: '15 WRX, 15 GLA250, and 2 feet
Location: Shoreline, WA
Posts: 3,498
Thanks: 197
Thanked 250 Times in 159 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Subaru is one of a few automakers that does weirdest shiet. They refreshed WRX every 2 years in the GD generation, GR refreshed after 2 years with the last refresh last 3 years. I think we will see BRZ getting several nip and tuck before they release a new gen.
__________________
Dark
Dark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 01:21 PM   #41
m.box.design
Senior Member
 
m.box.design's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Drives: 2013 Whiteout FRS
Location: Oregon, USA
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 331
Thanked 1,662 Times in 933 Posts
Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
there will probably just be a face lifted kouki model. engine may see a few tweaks, but i don't think they'd change much of the current formula.
m.box.design is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2014, 06:17 PM   #42
Hot Lava
The Antiriced
 
Hot Lava's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Drives: women wild
Location: in the grass
Posts: 410
Thanks: 160
Thanked 350 Times in 165 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomcat07 View Post
or an extended 4 door
blashemy
Hot Lava is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Subaru 216A confirmed with 2.0L turbo, AWD, bigger and heavier than FT-86 Hachiroku BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics 118 11-16-2017 02:19 PM
KERS Hybrid FR-S High Performance Model Reportedly in Development! Hachiroku Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 68 01-10-2013 01:48 AM
Turbo FR-S Tested For Drift Reportedly Spotted DanPO Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum 123 01-24-2012 01:25 AM
2013 Subaru BRZ Sports Coupe's U.S. Debut Confirmed for Detroit Motor Show Shevon BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics 63 01-09-2012 08:27 PM
Subaru Version of Toyota FT-86 Confirmed...But Not Yet For U.S. Franisco BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics 66 12-15-2009 02:25 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.