Another ACE headers issue

[JIM THEO]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

i wonder why some people have issues with subframe rubbing, and most people like myself have zero issues with subframe rubbing on both stock engine mounts and then later sti mounts. is it the 4-2 header or 2-1 overpipe causing the rubbing?

just realized you are in Greece, are you guys RHD or LFD? if you are RHD then it is known and state that the 350 has fitment issues. "GT86/FRS/BRZ 4-2-1 MERGE HEADER, 350 COLLECTOR, LHD" I hope the RHD people aren't the ones buying the 350 and complaining about fitment.

LHD in Greece as you, in my case the overpipe rubs against the subframe when I start from a stop, on hard acceleration and left corners.
As handmade product every header is different as every BRZ/FRS is different, I think the rest of the exhaust plays a role and adds to the rubbing issue, although the only exhaust part I added is a Berk frontpipe.

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by JIM THEO

LHD in Greece as you, in my case the overpipe rubs against the subframe when I start from a stop, on hard acceleration and left corners.
As handmade product every header is different as every BRZ/FRS is different, I think the rest of the exhaust plays a role and adds to the rubbing issue, although the only exhaust part I added is a Berk frontpipe.

forgot they are all handmade but i have type B so slightly less "handmade"

I have read some people having issues with certain frontpipes if they are either heavier, angled lower then stock, or installed lower, causing the overpipe to "droop" lower and hit. possibly something to look into. or see if you can reinstall frontpipe and bolt it to FP mount to have it higher and pushing overpipe up more. maybe pull catback in closer to "wedge" the FP up more.

[gpvecchi]

It's made in Taiwan, I don't expect so much quality...

[JIM THEO]

Originally Posted by gpvecchi

It's made in Taiwan, I don't expect so much quality...

They are quality products regarding welding and material but they have to adjust better distances and curves of each header to minimize rubbing issues and use better bolts/nuts, Tomei/Gruppe-s headers are made in Taiwan also and they are perfect quality imho!

[Infinity]

Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17

also my ace 250 header was 1350$ brand new shipped from a vendor (no discount/sale price), and 350 type As are about 1700$, back when more vendors stocked them you could get them for 1500$ when they had their annual sales. So not really close to 2000$

The header is $1700 without shipping or tax. Motor mounts are like $250-300. And you really need a ceramic coating, too. It is easily over $2000 to get this header properly installed on your car.

[gpvecchi]

Meh, just my two cents, during years I saw many different brands of exhausts, many of them of reputable brands, but when I saw Supersprint I was amused. But they are absurdly priced, and not so good for our cars...

[86TOYO2k17]

Originally Posted by Infinity

The header is $1700 without shipping or tax. Motor mounts are like $250-300. And you really need a ceramic coating, too. It is easily over $2000 to get this header properly installed on your car.

Free shipping, no tax, I don’t have a ceramic coating and over 2 years in PNW still looks brand new, zero heating issues. And myself and many others had zero issues with stock mounts. Also consider this includes over pipe thats at least another 250$ value over other options.

It also used to be stocked by more vendors (now looks like only ace and csg) when other vendors had it they all have 10%+ off sales several times a year. If i waited 3 months i could have gotten mine to my door for 1215$. But I didn’t want to wait.

But to be fair if the 1700$ ace was all that was available i would have got a EL JDL

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by gpvecchi

It's made in Taiwan, I don't expect so much quality...

LOL. That was pretty ignorant. Quality has little to do with where it is made and more to do with accepted tolerances from whomever is commissioning the work.

A header is a pretty complex part to build. Something as simple as removing it from it's fixture before it has cooled enough can distort it.

[B T]

I figure the welding fixture and jigs must've been moved around a bit and warped during production. Even on the stock motor mounts, the header was hitting the underbody panel, coming too close to the passenger side sway bar bushing(melted it several times) and the bolt holes at the engine don't line up properly. I always end up having to push apart the header flanges to get it over the head studs. Luckily it hasn't ruined the head stud threads.

[JIM THEO]

Quick question, how much of noise difference an OEM frontpipe has with and without/gutted frontpipe?
I want to gut the OEM frontpipe but due to ACE headers I believe it will be quite noisy although I have OEM catback, I like it close to factory noise levels!

[gpvecchi]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

LOL. That was pretty ignorant. Quality has little to do with where it is made and more to do with accepted tolerances from whomever is commissioning the work.

Sorry, I don't agree... We're not talking of a CNC made product, these can be made everywhere with extreme quality. We're talking of manifacture...
I'm used to italian manifacture, sorry.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by gpvecchi

Sorry, I don't agree... We're not talking of a CNC made product, these can be made everywhere with extreme quality. We're talking of manifacture...
I'm used to italian manifacture, sorry.

Your experience must not have much to do with welded product.

With the Nameless header on my car I have issues. Flanges are "sprung" and won't slide onto the studs without being persuaded. Also an expensive header, and US made.

[Infinity]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Your experience must not have much to do with welded product.

With the Nameless header on my car I have issues. Flanges are "sprung" and won't slide onto the studs without being persuaded. Also an expensive header, and US made.

Are these kind of fitment issues typical with hand made headers? I assume the ACE and Nameless are hand welded?

I wonder if the JDL 4-2-1 has similar fitment issues.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Infinity

Are these kind of fitment issues typical with hand made headers? I assume the ACE and Nameless are hand welded?

I wonder if the JDL 4-2-1 has similar fitment issues.

It depends on so many factors. I'd say most of the common headers out there are going to be pretty dialed. The more complex, the more chance for distortion.

My turbo manifold also had issues but it was a handmade 1 of 6 so the jig could have been off. I really don't hear of too many complaints across the board on any header but I am sure there are more out there then get posted.