Kobe Steel

[Joystick]

Firm faked data for metal (some aluminum and copper) used in planes and cars.
Customers: Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Honda, Boeing, Kawasaki ...

The problems could stretch back 10 years.
At the moment, the impact is unclear.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-data-scandal

[nextcar]

Have you got a beef with that?

[Mr.ac]

Kind of a bullshit story. Really has nothing to do with steal. Mostly cheap aluminum.
For those in the metal working industry, it's not much of an issue.

Just what everyone already knows cheap aluminum is cheap because it's not 100% aluminum. But guess what? It's still holds and is as strong as 100% aluminum. It may just 90%.

[radroach]

Recall / replacement with carbon fiber parts when?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Have you got a beef with that?

Maybe he has steaks in it?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Just what everyone already knows cheap aluminum is cheap because it's not 100% aluminum. But guess what? It's still holds and is as strong as 100% aluminum. It may just 90%.

So what is the difference? Extra weight?

[Slammillionaire]

Kobe steel (神戸ビーフ Kōbe steel) (KO-BEH) refers to steel from the Tajima strain of Wagyu metal, raised in Japan's Hyogo Prefecture according to rules as set out by the Kobe Steel Marketing and Distribution Promotion Association. The metal is a delicacy renowned for its flavor, tenderness, and fatty, well-marbled texture. Kobe steel can be prepared as steak, sukiyaki, shabu shabu, sashimi, and teppanyaki. Kobe steel is generally considered one of the three top brands (known as Sandai Wagyuu, "the three big steels"), along with Matsusaka steel and Ōmi steel or Yonezawa steel.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So what is the difference? Extra weight?

The difference is probably miniscule since not much is made out of pure aluminum anyway. Most manufactured items are an alloy of some kind or another.
As the article says the bigger issue isn't that they made some out of spec products (the finished goods could potentially be better than spec) it is that they falsified reports and test results.

[humfrz]

Aaaaa.........Haaaaaa !!!!!!!

Now we know why the TOB-ings in our cars are weak ............


humfrz

[Joystick]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So what is the difference? Extra weight?

At the moment we know very little. They said that metal failed to meet quality standards.

Data was fabricated for about 19,300 tonnes of aluminium products, 2,200 tonnes of copper products and 19,400 units of aluminium castings and forgings shipped from September 2016 through August 2017, but they warned that the problems in certification could date back 10 years, and steel powder product sent to one customer did not meet the client's specifications too.

[krayzie]

Okay what dollar amount are we looking at when the class action lawsuit check comes in the mail?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Okay what dollar amount are we looking at when the class action lawsuit check comes in the mail?

.00000008 cents

[krayzie]

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[Mr.ac]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

So what is the difference? Extra weight?

The difference is the strength and braking point.
Everyone is pretty much familiar with cheap replacement auto parts right? For example water pumps. Everyone know the cheap ones will only last a few year if best. Usually the seals go because the shaft gets worn out due to the aluminum quickly rubs itself out.

Or we all seen some type suspension part and see it either brake or get cracked.

Those are pretty much ware items so there's always a life span to it.

I can only guess what made the writers panties get bunched is potentially crash test data would be false. Meaning that maybe 10% weaker metals where used.

Personally to me it's not an issue at all. Most "aircraft" grade or "military" grade metals are slightly better than base line metals.
Think if it this way: the ugly stick you buy are only good for cracking 100 skulls. Everyone knows that.
Pricey ugly sticks do only last 100 skulls. Where as the cheaper ones only last about 85-90 skulls. There's the question would you rather pay more to get that 10-15 more broken skulls and then buy a replacement or would you pay less knowing that you'll eventually have to buy a replacement ugly stick?

They are both ugly sticks, they bash in skulls just the same but one would brake sooner than the other. Not a lot sooner but almost close to the end of its life.